<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">在 2020年5月25日週一 21:39,Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> 寫道:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>May 25, 2020, 15:27 by <a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #93a3b8;padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><p>On 2020-05-25 14:58, Marc M. wrote:<br></p><blockquote style="padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px solid;margin:0" type="cite"><div style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace"><div>Hello,<br></div><div><br></div><div> following a small thread on irc, I have review 20 usage of admin_level=1<br></div><div> all are mistakes, often by new mapper<br></div><div> for ex <a rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275</a><br></div><div> is there a case of real use of admin_level=1?<br></div><div> wiki only said that UE isn't a admin_level=1<br></div><div> but don't list any valid usage of it<br></div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#Super-national_administrations" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#Super-national_administrations</a><br></div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Umf" target="_blank">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Umf</a><br></div><div><br></div><div> are these all errors or is there an undocumented usecase ?<br></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family:monospace">I think the European Union is a good candidate for admin_level=1. It has all the attributes of an administration, including elected representatives and (in some cases) directly effective laws. It may be unique in the world, but that doesn't change the duck-test outcome.<br></div></blockquote><div>I agree that European Union seems to be a sole viable candidate.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I don't get<br></div><div>"trans-national administration is not a super-national organization"<br></div><div>argument, EU clearly has administration, de facto (also de iure?) laws, elections and so on.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Though it is area where I am not confident at all, so I am not really proposing to do that<br></div><div>- just that I would not be surprised or opposed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I fixed <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275" rel="noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275</a> as clearly bogus.<br></div> </div>
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<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is in the OpenStreetMap wiki itself that EU is a super-national.organization: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What I'm thinking about is, does Realm of New Zealand <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm_of_New_Zealand">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realm_of_New_Zealand</a> count? Those territories in the realm seems to still have some sort of power over comprosing territories despite proclaimed independence.</div><div dir="auto">Likewise, what about Kingdom of Denmark (relation 9110211)? It is now being tagged as an administrative boundary but with no admin_level.</div><div dir="auto">And what about British Crown Dependencies (relation 9110397) and British Overseas Territory (relation 3969434)? The British Crown Dependencies is now tagged as boundary=historic which seems wrong to me as it's still current. The British Overseas Territory is tagged as boundary=administrative but with no admin_level key.</div></div>