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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>May 26, 2020, 08:28 by arne@thaw.de:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>May 25, 2020, 02:45 by arne@thaw.de:<br></div><blockquote><div><br></div><div>[access=private driveways implicitly permitting delivieries to destination?]<br></div><div><br></div><div>Not all deliveries are actively requested, and the delivery person can't know if you requested it or not.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good point. Maybe it can be argued that there is implicit permission for delivery services?<br></div><div>My uncle has farm, with clearly private yard (it is unsigned).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Postman or package delivery would be welcomed there and - even if package <br></div><div>would not be requested, but random person driving to<br></div><div>front of his house would not be and AFAIK would violate law.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think what you're describing is access=destination, not =private.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why? "access=destination" means "no transit traffic, no other restrictions".<br></div><div>What changes nothing for a typical driveway.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><blockquote><div>[...]<br></div><blockquote>FWIW, I'm less happy with the current state of the access=private page. But I'm not sure if consensus exists to clarify it.<br></blockquote><div>What is wrong and how you want to change it?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It does not specifiy precisely what the tag value =private means. It also doesn't make a clear enough distinction between private ownership and private access (by using the term "private" colloqiually and by showing a picture of what looks like an ownership=private situation).<br></div></blockquote><div>Changed a bit in<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:access%3Dprivate&diff=1995183&oldid=1986562">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:access%3Dprivate&diff=1995183&oldid=1986562</a><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>I think the =private wiki page could be improved by clarifying that =private really does require _explicit_ prior permission. The "Facilities" section already mentions "a closed group of users", which implies just that, but evidently this isn't very clear.<br></div></blockquote><div>I added "Permission may be implicit, for example delivering a package into a house."<br></div><div>on Key:Access and Tag:access=private pages, as it appears to match the actual usage.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>Additionally, the language generally could use a bit of cleanup, the relation to alternatives like =destination should be mentioned<br></div></blockquote><div>destination mentioned<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>(I might take a swing at this if I find the time.)<br></div></blockquote><div>Yeah, fully resolving this (not just parts that I quoted) will take plenty of time.<br></div><div><br></div> </body>
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