<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:15, Jake Edmonds via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">On 8 Jul 2020, at 13:08, Paul Allen <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com" target="_blank">pla16021@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div><blockquote type="cite"><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:00, Niels Elgaard Larsen <<a href="mailto:elgaard@agol.dk" target="_blank">elgaard@agol.dk</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
In short, how would we deal with verifiability requirement?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Price, maybe. Specialty coffee (or anything else) costs more. However,</div><div>blind tasting of wine has shown that perceived quality is strongly</div><div>influenced by presentation (if it looks expensive, people think it</div><div>tastes better).</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe that’s true but if people are looking for it, it should be searchable?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There is a group of people within OSM that have the mantra "OSM is not</div><div>a gazetteer." I think that's overly-strict, but when we get down to</div><div>tagging speciality coffees, I can see their point.</div><div><br></div><div>OSM is a map. We tag places like shops and cafes primarily</div><div>because they are waypoints: "Turn left after Walmart."</div><div>Secondarily we tag those places in more detail because it's</div><div> useful: a convenience store versus a gift shop. When</div><div>we get down to listing every individual item sold, we've</div><div>gone far too far.<br></div><div><br></div>Is specialty coffee a step too far? Yes, because it's</div><div class="gmail_quote">subjective and is likely to become (if it hasn't already)</div><div class="gmail_quote">an abused marketing term. Anybody can take some</div><div class="gmail_quote">vile coffee beans, roast them badly, and it's speciality</div><div class="gmail_quote">coffee (it's certainly out of the normal). It's too</div><div class="gmail_quote">subjective. Price is verifiable.<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>So rather than tagging it as specialty, or of high quality, just</div><div>tag it as expensive=yes. At least that is verifiable. If</div><div>it's more than (say) twice the average price, it's expensive.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Twice as expensive as what?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Did you see where I wrote "average price"? If most places sell coffee</div><div>for $2, I'd consider $4 expensive. Maybe you'd prefer to flag 3 standard</div><div>deviations from the mean as expensive. Whatever formular you come</div><div>up with, it would be verifiable.</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Not that I think we should be mapping price, either. Sure, if we had</div><div class="gmail_quote">a mapper on every street corner diligently keeping everything current</div><div class="gmail_quote">(no more than a week between inspections) we could consider mapping</div><div class="gmail_quote">these sorts of details. <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">In the meantime, I'm putting all my time into mapping three geographically</div><div class="gmail_quote"> large counties in slightly less detail, and there's still a hell of a lot yet to map.</div><div class="gmail_quote">My questions are along the lines of "Is there any sort of coffee shop or</div><div class="gmail_quote">cafe in this village?" rather than "Does it sell really expensive coffee?"</div><div>I'd rather try to cater to those who are thirsty enough to drink</div><div>anything rather than those who would willingly die of dehydration than</div><div>drink cheap coffee.</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div>