<div dir="ltr"><div>This may all sound tangential or nitpicking to you, but to those with the right equipment, the tags you propose, depending on scenario would simply be misleading.</div><div><br></div>A photo would help to understand the exact place, but I think you could easily push your foldable bike through narrow passages if you rotate your handlebar and/or fold your pedals.<div><br></div><div>If you can fold your bicycle in 15 seconds, it integrates a visually protective cover and has small luggage-wheels for moving when folded, it would not cause a problem to take a 100m detour in the park if it could save you kilometers and/or going into dangerous traffic. I've seen such designs in mass production, but wouldn't want to do much advertising here.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 12:06 PM Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The boxes business is most likely leading us a bit up the Nymphenburg Schlosspark garden path.</div><div>The real issue is routing for bicycles.</div><div>Many (bicycle) routers I know would route you against (short) stretches of one-way roads or on short stretches of (bicycle=no) footpaths, so in those cases it is important to be sure that you distinguish between hard-no and soft-no for bicycles.</div><div>I have come across another type of hard-no for bicycles in the form of chicane-type cycle barriers too narrow to push a bicycle (or a wheelchair) through.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 11:48, bkil <<a href="http://bkil.hu" target="_blank">bkil.hu</a>+<a href="mailto:Aq@gmail.com" target="_blank">Aq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I have yet to see a park where they limit the size of luggage I can carry with me (within rational limits).</div><div><br></div><div>I think local law always defines what a bicycle is exactly. I don't think that they have the right to search your box to check whether it contains legally defined bicycles - that could only be done by a police officer and would need a warrant, so I think we can always carry bicycles in a box. Mind you that luggage could also have wheels.</div><br><div>For circumventing carry-on rules, it was common knowledge that if you removed the front tire, it could not be ridden anymore and could be understood to be not a bicycle, rather it was classified as "bicycle parts". Some thought this could be used to transport bicycles on a train for free, but it was actually oversized for the definition of luggage, so the actual deciding factor was always the kindness of the staff.</div><div><br></div><div>If you carry a front wheel and your friend carries the rest, can you enter the park? Both of you are only carrying parts, and none of you possess bicycles.<br><br>On the other hand, the terms of services of transport companies usually have written provisions for carrying on folded bicycles irrespective of size limits (for example, they even allow folded mountain bikes).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Just for kicks:</div><div><a href="https://ecofriend.com/bike-that-folds-into-an-a3-paper-size-box-is-rightly-named-the-a3-bicycle.html" target="_blank">https://ecofriend.com/bike-that-folds-into-an-a3-paper-size-box-is-rightly-named-the-a3-bicycle.html</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:30 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><br><div dir="ltr">sent from a phone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 22. Jul 2020, at 11:07, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>bicycle_pushed=no was suggested in previous discussion, see<br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/thread.html#49056" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/thread.html#49056</a></div></div></blockquote><br><div><br></div><div>and then you would also need</div><div>bicycle_carried=no</div><div>and</div><div>bicycle_carried_in_a_box=no</div><div>(the latter is rare and could be seen as another way of saying carrying_boxes=no or maybe carrying_boxes:conditional =no@(any_dimension > 0.3m)</div><div><br></div><div>And we would have to define what „bicycle“ means.</div><div><br></div><div>Are these bicycles?</div><div>1. </div><div><a href="https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/F-8AAOSwstJZXeV2/$_12.JPG" target="_blank">https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/F-8AAOSwstJZXeV2/$_12.JPG</a></div><div><br></div><div>2.</div><div><a href="http://img0.biker-boarder.de/detail_oxp1/g13_edge_raw.jpg" target="_blank">http://img0.biker-boarder.de/detail_oxp1/g13_edge_raw.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>3.</div><div><a href="http://www.unicyclist.com/filedata/fetch?id=2476281" target="_blank">http://www.unicyclist.com/filedata/fetch?id=2476281</a></div><div><br></div><div>4.</div><div><a href="https://photos.netjuggler.net/monocycle-kris-holm-24p/grande/Monocycle-Kris-Holm-24-pouces-isis1.jpg" target="_blank">https://photos.netjuggler.net/monocycle-kris-holm-24p/grande/Monocycle-Kris-Holm-24-pouces-isis1.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers Martin </div><div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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