<div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>I think the core idea behind such a restriction is that people only want to go to that park for walking around (no cross-traffic), and pushing the bike for half an hour doesn't make much sense and allowing people to push bikes around would risk them hopping on the bike when nobody is looking.<br><br>What does this sign mean exactly, does this only disallow pushing a bike or am I also discouraged from carrying one in, like a foldable bike? A foldable bike can be carried onto city buses as luggage around here without an extra fee. How could such a sign limit the type of luggage I can carry onto the premises?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, I'd invent something like this:</div>dog=carried</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Volker Schmidt <<a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Apart from the island parts of Venice, there is this "famous" example, cited everytime the argument comes up: Bicycles, even walke, are not allowed in the Schlosspark Nympenburg (see<a href="https://www.schloesser.bayern.de/deutsch/service/infomat/screen-pdf/ny_park.pdf" target="_blank"> leaflet): <br></a></div><div>
<span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">"Das Mitführen von Fahrrädern </span><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">ist im ganzen Park nicht ge</span><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">stattet. Nutzen Sie bitte das </span><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">Angebot an Fahrradständern </span><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">an den Eingängen."</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">It appears that we still have no commonly agreed tag in OSM to indicate that type of restriction. OSM's "bicycle=no" is used to mean "riding of bicycle is forbidden" or "you cannot bring a bicycle here".</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">I agree we need a tag for a "hard" no-bicycle tag.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">In theory we do have the bicycle=dismount tag for not-riding a bicycle, but, unfortunately we do have too many existing uses bicycle=no in the database that in reality should be bicycle=dismount<br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">(Taginfo:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">1?078?526 bicycle=no<br>79528 bicycle=dismount)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">I do not like "explicit-no", but I do not have any alternative suggestion either. bicycle=hard-no ? bicycle=prohibited ?<br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif">I guess there is a similar problem with dogs: there are places where you cannot bring a dog, and there are places where you can not walk your dog, but you may carry it.<br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.3229px;font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 10:32, Oliver Simmons <<a href="mailto:oliversimmo@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliversimmo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">It seems highly strange that you wouldn't even be allowed to carry/push your bike, are you sure that was what it meant?<div dir="auto">Do you have a picture of the sign?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, 22:50 Allroads, <<a href="mailto:allroadsworld@gmail.com" target="_blank">allroadsworld@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>There lots of forest roads/path, where the bicycle/pushed carried is
prohibited. Mostly, private owned land with a access_sign.</div>
<div>“the bicycle” “transportation vehicle” is prohibited.</div>
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<div>Because, navigation programs do not us bicycle=no, as a hard no, there is
the need for a extra value.</div>
<div>bicycle=explicit_no, means “the vehicle” is prohibited.</div>
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<div>Why a value?</div>
<div>We need a one value, otherwise a lot of more keys, which makes it things
complicated. At the end it means for all explicit no!</div>
<div><tt style="background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;line-height:1.6" dir="ltr"><a title="Key:bicycle pushed (page does not exist)" rel="noreferrer"><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)">bicycle_pushed</font></a><u></u><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)">=</font><a title="Tag:bicycle pushed=no (page does not exist)" rel="noreferrer"><u></u><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)">no<u></u></font></a></tt><font face="Times New Roman"> </font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">motorcycle_pushed=no</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">horse_pushed=no
;-)</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">moped_pushed=no</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">mofa_pushed=no</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">etc.</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New"></font> </div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">Better one
value, key=explicit_no</font></div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New"></font> </div>
<div><font style="background-color:rgb(238,238,255)" face="Courier New">What do you
think?</font></div>
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<div>If we do not solve this problem, this stays forever.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>On the wiki page dismount, this bicycle_pushed is mentioned.</div>
<div><a title="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount</a></div>
<div>For me a wrong advise.</div>
<div>The problem is wider for more transportation modes, even for other product
to carry around.</div>
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<div>Private access_sign rules, can go much further then traffic_sign. In what
is prohibited.</div>
<div>What the owner think and write down on the sign is valid.</div>
<div>The skateboard is prohibited, means you can not carry a skateboard around
with you.</div>
<div>skateboard=explicit_no</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I need this value to do it correctly. Where the bicycle is no allowed. Or a
other value meaning the same.</div>
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