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I eventually found on-the-ground images of the feature I would like to propose / map. As you can see these areas are not sand (different granulometry), nor scree (very particular definition in natural=scree wikipage). They are not part of road, but are passable
by cars. They are not bare rocks.<br>
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You can find the images at the proposal page <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ground">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ground</a> . I know it's not allowed to modify the feature proposal page during voting,
so if needed I will restart the voting after.<br>
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<i>></i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;"><i>Maybe
it is list of considered but rejected alternatives?</i><br>
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Yes I forgot to modify, now it has been corrected</div>
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<i>><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">It
is unfortunate that the suggestion to not aim for introducing an </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">umbrella
tag was not taken into account.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">The
proposal as is lacks clarity of what it actually suggests and how </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">this
new tag delienates against existing tags. It also lacks </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">comprehensive
practical guidance for the mapper how to identify and </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">delineate
features with this tag based on real world on-the-ground </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">examples.</span></i><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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Hopefully the new images will delineate better the feature I would like to propose / map. I don't think it's an umbrella tag, how can I map these areas which, again, are not temporary and they are not covered by vegetation after few time? In Africa they are
a lot, and I think there is not current tag for that.<br>
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<i>><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">What
you essentially attempt to introduce here is a *residual* tag to </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">turn
the open OSM tagging system consisting of tags that positively </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">identify
specific real world features into a closed land cover </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">classification
system modeled after countless such systems (some of </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">which
you cited). </span></i><br>
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I think ground is a real world feature. The landcover classification systems have only been cited to check a clearer, already existing definition in literature, as suggested by others in the feature discussion. And also, it seems natural=bare_rock has been
taken from there too.<br>
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Thanks, I hope to receive some more guidance,<br>
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<b>Inviato:</b> venerd́ 24 luglio 2020 16:45<br>
<b>A:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On Friday 24 July 2020, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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> I take it that means you're not in favour of my idea of rendering all<br>
> parts of the world not covered by a tagged area with the label "Here<br>
> there be dragons." I think that would be cool, especially if<br>
> somebody comes up with a good dragon icon.<br>
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You can pick one of the following two answers:<br>
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1) We already render them in a distinct color:<br>
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<a href="https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/style/style.mss">https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/style/style.mss</a><br>
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Rendering features with a distinct symbol or pattern in addition if that <br>
symbol does not transport any additional information is something we <br>
typically try to avoid.<br>
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2) There are no parts of the Earth that are not covered by a mapped area <br>
since the global coastline divides the Earth surface into land (on the <br>
left of the coastline) and ocean (on the right of the coastline).<br>
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;-)<br>
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-- <br>
Christoph Hormann<br>
<a href="http://www.imagico.de/">http://www.imagico.de/</a><br>
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