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    The problem with tagging it as an orchard isn't that it doesn't look
    like an orchard in the British sense, it's that it intentionally
    does not look like cultivated land at all. Banana and date
    plantations still look very artificial, with very little ground
    cover or biodiversity, while a typical forest garden will, without
    closer inspection, look something akin to a nature reserve. If
    someone were walking around some woods using the map, tried
    positioning themselves around it, and were looking for an orchard or
    tree farm, that would be largely useless.<br>
    <br>
     - Justin<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-07-30 10:38 a.m., Joseph
      Eisenberg wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">A landuse=orchard is any area of perennial
          shrubs and trees which is used to produce food. In the tropics
          this tag is used for bananas tea and coffee, and oil date
          palms, all of which are not exactly “orchards” in the British
          sense. This was proposed in the original vote.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">So if Wikipedia is correct that  “<span
          style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"> The
          three main products from a forest garden are fruit, nuts and </span><a
          href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf_vegetable"
          title="Leaf vegetable"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(107,75,161)"
          moz-do-not-send="true">green leafy vegetables</a><span
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)">.“
          it is probably mainly landuse=orchard + landuse=farmland as a
          secondary use.</span></div>
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><br>
        </span></div>
      <div dir="auto"><span
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)">I
          also see that these are called a “huerto familiar” in Mexico,
          which literally means “family orchard”.</span></div>
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><br>
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style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important"><font
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
            UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Perhaps
            landuse=orchard + orchard=forest_garden would work?</span></font></div>
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
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          </span></font></div>
      <div dir="auto"
style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important"><font
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
          UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
            UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Note that
            we previously discussed a similar issue with areas that are
            used as orchards + pasture in Spain, if I recall</span></font></div>
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          </span></font></div>
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        style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
          UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
            UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Since
            almost any 2 types of agricultural land can be combined, it
            might be better to think about a wholistic solution, since
            as a way to tag the secondary landuse or secondary
            vegetation of a certain area.</span></font></div>
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            UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">- Joseph</span></font></div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:22
            AM Justin Tracey <<a href="mailto:j3tracey@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">j3tracey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <div>On 2020-07-30 7:40 a.m., Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 12:34, joost
                    schouppe <<a
                      href="mailto:joost.schouppe@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joost.schouppe@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Someone tried to map a "food forest" near
                          me.<br>
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                    <div>The best I could come up with, given that it
                      described itself as part orchard,</div>
                    <div>was landuse=orchard.  If we ever come up with a
                      more appropriate tag I'll</div>
                    <div>change it.<br>
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                    <div>-- <br>
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                    <div>Paul</div>
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              Forest gardens are definitely not orchards. For one,
              they're designed to resemble (or be) natural ecologies as
              much as possible, and therefore look very different; and
              two, most of the food in them doesn't actually come from
              the trees (or rather, doesn't come directly from the trees
              -- again, the point is to be a healthy ecology), so they
              function and operate very differently.</div>
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               - Justin </div>
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