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The problem with tagging it as an orchard isn't that it doesn't look
like an orchard in the British sense, it's that it intentionally
does not look like cultivated land at all. Banana and date
plantations still look very artificial, with very little ground
cover or biodiversity, while a typical forest garden will, without
closer inspection, look something akin to a nature reserve. If
someone were walking around some woods using the map, tried
positioning themselves around it, and were looking for an orchard or
tree farm, that would be largely useless.<br>
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- Justin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-07-30 10:38 a.m., Joseph
Eisenberg wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">A landuse=orchard is any area of perennial
shrubs and trees which is used to produce food. In the tropics
this tag is used for bananas tea and coffee, and oil date
palms, all of which are not exactly “orchards” in the British
sense. This was proposed in the original vote.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So if Wikipedia is correct that “<span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"> The
three main products from a forest garden are fruit, nuts and </span><a
href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf_vegetable"
title="Leaf vegetable"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:none;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(107,75,161)"
moz-do-not-send="true">green leafy vegetables</a><span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)">.“
it is probably mainly landuse=orchard + landuse=farmland as a
secondary use.</span></div>
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)">I
also see that these are called a “huerto familiar” in Mexico,
which literally means “family orchard”.</span></div>
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UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(32,33,34)"><span
style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Perhaps
landuse=orchard + orchard=forest_garden would work?</span></font></div>
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style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0)!important;border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important"><font
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style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Note that
we previously discussed a similar issue with areas that are
used as orchards + pasture in Spain, if I recall</span></font></div>
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style="font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Since
almost any 2 types of agricultural land can be combined, it
might be better to think about a wholistic solution, since
as a way to tag the secondary landuse or secondary
vegetation of a certain area.</span></font></div>
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AM Justin Tracey <<a href="mailto:j3tracey@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">j3tracey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 2020-07-30 7:40 a.m., Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 12:34, joost
schouppe <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joost.schouppe@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Someone tried to map a "food forest" near
me.<br>
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<div>The best I could come up with, given that it
described itself as part orchard,</div>
<div>was landuse=orchard. If we ever come up with a
more appropriate tag I'll</div>
<div>change it.<br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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Forest gardens are definitely not orchards. For one,
they're designed to resemble (or be) natural ecologies as
much as possible, and therefore look very different; and
two, most of the food in them doesn't actually come from
the trees (or rather, doesn't come directly from the trees
-- again, the point is to be a healthy ecology), so they
function and operate very differently.</div>
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- Justin </div>
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