<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">Re: “<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">There's no textual version of the name anywhere</span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">(except as used for the addresses of residences and POIs."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">That's the standard situation where I mapped in eastern Indonesia.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">The highways almost never had street signs and official maps are absent</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">So I would use whatever names were used commonly on shops,</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">And the names that local people used to describe streets or give directions.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">This is verifiable information: if you go to Wamena, Indonesia (and get</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">an interpreter...), you can find the street names on shops and by asking people</span></div><div><font color="#000000" face="-webkit-standard" size="3"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">right there on the street.</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="-webkit-standard" size="3"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="-webkit-standard" size="3"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Similarly, if you ask someone the name of the road in California with ref="CA 96",</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="-webkit-standard" size="3"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">they will tell you "Highway 96" or perhaps "The river road". They won't say</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="-webkit-standard" size="3"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"Nah, it doesn't have a name, just a State highway number."</span></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">– Joseph Eisenberg</span></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:08 PM Jmapb <<a href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com" target="_blank">jmapb@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 7/31/2020 4:24 PM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:<br>
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> Put one of the variants into addr:street and then all the variants<br>
> as alternative names onto the road. Obviously that stretch of road<br>
> is referred to under all these names, so this is what we should map.<br>
<br>
Putting aside the question of *which* variant to put into `addr:street`,<br>
this sounds like an approach that could work. But we might end up with<br>
something like `alt_name=Highway 214;Route 214;State Highway 214;New<br>
York 214;NY-214;New York State Route 214` (or the name_1 ... name_n<br>
equivalents). I could live with that if it actually helped the geocoding<br>
but it's not exactly graceful.<br>
<br>
Ultimately, though, these are alternate names for the route, not for the<br>
stretch of road. (Which might have its own list of names! For instance,<br>
a particular stretch of Ulster County Route 40 is known as Main Street,<br>
Plank Road, Old Plank Road, Old Route 28, and Mount Tremper-Phoenicia Road.)<br>
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> It really doesn't matter that the road has officially no name. The<br>
> goal is to map what's on the ground.<br>
<br>
For the road itself, what's on the ground is simply the highway shield<br>
with the number 214. There's no textual version of the name anywhere<br>
(except as used for the addresses of residences and POIs.) Best practice<br>
for these sorts of roads, I'm told, is to omit `name=*`, tag `ref=*`,<br>
and add to a route relation.<br>
<br>
For the addresses along the road, the vast majority are signed with just<br>
a housenumber, and those POI signs that do include a street name are<br>
inconsistent. Government data sources are also inconsistent.<br>
<br>
But an on-the-ground mapper can observe that those housenumbers belong<br>
to this road, which here is known only by its route number. I feel there<br>
should be a way to encode that observation without asking the mapper to<br>
choose a particular textual representation of the route's name...<br>
especially since it's hard to do that in a consistent manner.<br>
<br>
(Whatever the solution, my aim here is to get an address search that works!)<br>
<br>
Jason<br>
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