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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Aug 11, 2020, 19:52 by claysmalley@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div>What exactly is your point here? If nobody is responding to your complaints, perhaps they aren't worth responding to.<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Or posted as an unreadable blue text.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="ltr"><div> Repeating the same complaints to the same group of people won't change that.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Are you worried that incorrectly-mapped stop positions endanger people's safety?<br></div><div><br></div><div>We've pointed out concrete steps you can take to improve these initially-mapped stop positions. If mapping stop positions accurately is important to you, why not take responsibility for improving them?<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Clay<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971594551883535700_BODY"><div><div>this is missing my original talk.<br></div><div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:15px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:normal"><span style="font-variant-caps:normal"><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="letter-spacing:normal"><span><span style="text-transform:none"><span style="white-space:normal"><span><span style="word-spacing:0px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)">IN the chicago area we have 3 railway company’s operating the system, and one had signs left up from the old days</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:15px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:normal"><span style="font-variant-caps:normal"><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="letter-spacing:normal"><span><span style="text-transform:none"><span style="white-space:normal"><span><span style="word-spacing:0px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:15px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:normal"><span style="font-variant-caps:normal"><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="letter-spacing:normal"><span><span style="text-transform:none"><span style="white-space:normal"><span><span style="word-spacing:0px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span class="colour" style="color:#005ff9">which in watching the train come into that stations platform </span><span class="colour" style="color:#005ff9">did not stop at the sign based on the number of cars + the</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:15px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:normal"><span style="font-variant-caps:normal"><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="letter-spacing:normal"><span><span style="text-transform:none"><span style="white-space:normal"><span><span style="word-spacing:0px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:15px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:normal"><span style="font-variant-caps:normal"><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="letter-spacing:normal"><span><span style="text-transform:none"><span style="white-space:normal"><span><span style="word-spacing:0px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span class="colour" style="color:#005ff9">diesel engines or engines. which could be 5, 6, 7, or 8 cars, we stop at 8 here. 1 or 2 engines.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"> <br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:15px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:normal"><span style="font-variant-caps:normal"><span style="font-weight:400"><span style="letter-spacing:normal"><span><span style="text-transform:none"><span style="white-space:normal"><span><span style="word-spacing:0px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span class="colour" style="color:#005ff9">i should say more here, 1.who is driving the train, 2.what co. does he work for, 3.how long is the train, </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"> <br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)"><span>4.how long is the platform, 5 what is the time of day, am rush, pm rush, midday, </span></span><span class="colour" style="color:#005ff9">evening<span class="colour" style="color:#333333">. </span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)"><span>6.</span></span><span class="colour" style="color:#005ff9"><span class="colour" style="color:#333333"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)"><span>out of all the cars what are</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"> <br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)"><span><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span>being used, open, 7. weekend, or week day, 8.raining or snowing, 9.end of the line, <a target="_blank" href="http://10.is" rel="noopener noreferrer">10.is</a> the platform so short</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"> <br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)"><span><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="text-decoration-style:initial"><span style="text-decoration-color:initial"><span>that only 2 cars will fit. <a target="_blank" href="http://11.is" rel="noopener noreferrer">11.is</a> the train pushing or pulling. (it does not work here you can not tag all 400 platforms the same.) </span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px"> <br></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(8,87,166);margin:10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px"><div>Monday, August 10, 2020 10:51 PM -05:00 from Warin <<a target="_blank" href="http:///compose?To=61sundowner@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><div> <br></div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971178932077141165_BODY_mr_css_attr"><div><div>On 11/8/20 1:11 pm, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971150901899406632_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971143740488381301_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Tahoma,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-color:initial;text-decoration-style:initial;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">the train or trains do not stop where he says they do,</span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">Do they stop at the platform? Yes.<br>So stop positions maybe mapped. </span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971150901899406632_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971143740488381301_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-color:initial;text-decoration-style:initial;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial,
Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">and i am talking about 400 +,</span></span><br></div><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-color:initial;text-decoration-style:initial;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial,
Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">unverified platforms. which is 200 + stations,</span></span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">Unverified? Verified by the existing signs? This maybe 'out of date' but still verifiable. </span><br></div><div> <br></div><p></p><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">How 'inaccurate' are the present stop positions? </span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial,
Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">How precise is the mapped position required?</span></span><br></div><p></p><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">Were there stop positions there before?</span><br></p><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">Is it not better to have some indication rather than nothing?</span></span><br></p><div> <br></div><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif">"They will stay there for ever".... unless someone improves them.</span><br></p><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971150901899406632_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971143740488381301_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(8,87,166);margin:10px;padding:0px 0px 0px 10px"><div><span><span>Monday, August 10, 2020 9:33 PM -05:00 from Warin <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>:<br> </span></span></div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123"><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971131800362592868_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div>On 11/8/20 9:25 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><div id="gmail-m_2107927752404058123style_15971017810276845435_BODY_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr_mr_css_attr"><div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)">one of the points that i talked about, that no one has answered yet is what about someone not local</span><br></div><div> <br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,95,249)">who just puts 400 + unverified stops on platforms and there all wrong.</span><br></div><div> <br></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p>If you find something wrong - correct it.<br></p><p> <br></p><p>If the things mapped are deceitful, malicious etc then report it to the DWG to prevent more of the same. <br></p><p>If the things mapped are better than what was there before then I would call them improvements and thus beneficial, no point in being upset by it.<br></p><p>Being local is not a requirement to map, get over it. Local knowledge is beneficial as it aids mapping things that have local characteristics - like where trains stop<br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div> <br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><div> <br></div></div></div><div> <br></div></div></div></div></div><div> <br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </body>
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