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<p>Good day,</p>
<p>I am having trouble with the tourism tags caravan_site and
camp_site, specifically for the use case of finding a place to
camp with a tent (so not a caravan or a camper van).<br>
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<p>My goal is to differentiate the two tags. Both tags allow tents,
and both allow camper vans and caravans. Both tags may or may not
provide facilities such as toilets, water, electricity, et cetera.
In practice, the only thing that differentiates a pitch for a tent
versus a pitch for a caravan or camper van, is the ground
underneath (tents require some sort of soft material like grass).
This differentiating property is not mentioned at all in the Wiki.<br>
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<p>- The tag tents=yes/no (only listed in the camp_site Wiki) would
be a good way to find a place to camp with a tent, but almost none
of the caravan_site have this tag. All camp_sites in OSM I have
camped on, allowed tents.<br>
- Some of the caravan_site have been tagged with amenity=parking
or even surface=asphalt and this would mean that camping with a
tent is definitely not possible.<br>
- I noticed that both of the tags have status 'de facto', and no
proposals have been made for the definition of said tags. I found
an abandoned proposal [1] that has a good discussion about camping
[2].<br>
- Some camp_sites have a 'nested' polygon with a caravan_site.
This seems logical, and the caravan_site can be ignored, and the
camp_site can be used for camping with a tent.<br>
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<p>Statistics from TagInfo: camp_site has ~100,000 uses, and
caravan_site has ~30,000 uses.</p>
<p>I ran a quick Overpass query for a small number of caravan sites
(~15) [3]. Some of them note on their website that camping with a
tent is possible, and the surface of the pitches seems to be
grass. I am wondering if these should be re-tagged as camp_site,
or if I am missing something.<br>
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<p>My opinion would be that a camp_site should allow staying
overnight with many types of vehicles/tents, indicated by the tags
listed clearly on the wiki of camp_site. A caravan_site would
allow staying overnight with vehicles only, and not allow camping
with a tent. Concretely the sentence "They may also have some
space for tents." on [4] is the problem. Replacing the sentence on
the wiki with "Camping with a tent is not possible." would remove
any ambiguity differentiating these tags.<br>
</p>
<p>Any comments are welcome. I am willing to update the wiki or
draft a proposal for differentiating these two tags, if necessary.<br>
</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
<i>Hidde Wieringa</i></p>
<p>[1] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site</a><br>
[2] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#caravan_site_separated.3F">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#caravan_site_separated.3F</a>
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[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://tyrasd.github.io/overpass-turbo/?q=LyoKVGhpcyBoYcSGYmVlbiBnxI1lcmF0ZWQgYnkgdGhlIG92xJJwxIlzLXR1cmJvIHdpemFyZC7EgsSdxJ9yaWdpbmFsIHNlxLBjaMSsxIk6CsOiwoDCnHRvxKjEhW09Y8SwYXZhbl9zacSVIMWVxJfElW50cz1ub8WIwp0KKi8KW8WMdDpqc29uXVt0aW1lxaw6MjVdOwovL8SPxJTEnXIgcmVzdWzFoAooCiAgxoAgcXXEksSaxKNydCBmb3I6IMWIxYrFjMS3c8WPxZHEk8WUxZbFmMWaxZzEm8SNxaDFosWkwoDFpsaQxaNkZVsixYvFjcalIj0ixqfFk8WVxZfFmWUixbMhxZ7FoF0oe3tixKp4fX0pxb7GkHdheca5xrvGpG3GvseAxZLGqceExJXHh1vHicavc8eMx47HkG_HkseUx5bGhmVsxJRpxbHHm8ajxY7Hn8eBx6LGq8eGx4jHisepx43Hj8eRx5PHlQrIhsaScMS3xZ_HscaJxotzCsWsxJhvZHnFvj7FvsiSc2vHssaTdDs&c=BNxUhr7BxL&">https://tyrasd.github.io/overpass-turbo</a><br>
[4] <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site</a></p>
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