<div dir="ltr"><div>Well, in the Netherlands cyclestreet seems to be a "suggestional" traffic sign. In Belgium cyclestreet it has a clear legal meaning. In Germany bicycle_road has a clear (but quite different) legal meaning. So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that doesn't make much sense. There's plenty of discussion on the Dutch forum about this. A fundamental remark:
"apps that use the original German definition will see the road as forbidden for cars unless otherwise tagged", which does not make sense in Belgium or Holland.</div><div><br></div><div>See e.g.</div><div><a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=63473">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=63473</a></div><div><a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=709379#p709379">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=709379#p709379</a></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:The_Netherlands_roads_tagging">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:The_Netherlands_roads_tagging</a></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op wo 26 aug. 2020 om 08:51 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I am curious is there any difference in practical use of this two tags.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Aug 25, 2020, 12:13 by <a href="mailto:voschix@gmail.com" target="_blank">voschix@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br></div><div>I have come across a new (to me) street sign In Italy:<br></div><div><a href="https://italy-cycling-guide.info/tips-advice/riding-in-italy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://italy-cycling-guide.info/tips-advice/riding-in-italy/</a><br></div><div>The road is a one-lane residential road on which bicycles and pedestrians can circulate. <br></div><div>I don't know the legal status, however (I am inquiring).<br></div><div><br></div><div>In that contest I have noticed that we have two wiki pages defining two tags, which seem to be describing nearly the same concept:<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle_road" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bicycle_road</a> created <a title="Key:bicycle road" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:bicycle_road&oldid=512933" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:54, 7 August 2010</a><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:cyclestreet" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">cyclestreet</a> created <a title="Key:cyclestreet" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:cyclestreet&oldid=1607471" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:58, 9 May 2018</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>The main difference, as I understand it, is that the bicycle road is for bicycles only, unless there are additional signs, whereas<br></div><div>on a cycle street
"cars are also allowed. However, this car use is limited by the character and layout of the cyclestreet"<br></div><div><br></div><div>To make the confusion perfect, both wiki pages use the same (German) road sign as illustration for the situation in Germany.<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_244_-_Beginn_der_Fahrradstra%C3%9Fe,_StVO_1997.svg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_244_-_Beginn_der_Fahrradstra%C3%9Fe,_StVO_1997.svg</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Taginfo:<br></div><div><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a rel="noopener noreferrer">bicycle_road</a>=<a title="Tag:bicycle road=yes" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle_road%3Dyes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yes</a></span><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"> 7906</span><br></div></div><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><a rel="noopener noreferrer">cyclestreet</a>=<a title="Tag:cyclestreet=yes" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cyclestreet%3Dyes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yes</a></span> 4076<br></div></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"></span><br></div></span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Volker </span></span></span><br></div></span></span></div><div><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"><span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Padova, Italy</span></span></span><br></div></div><div><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"></span><br></div></div><div><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"></span><br></div></div><div><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"></span><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace"></span><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </div>
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