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<div>Is it maybe more universal to map<br></div><div>strictly objective parameters instead?<br></div><div><br></div><div>It seems for me that mapping<br></div><div>length, armrest in the middle and width<br></div><div>would be both far more objective and<br></div><div>potentially useful also for other purposes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>10 Sep 2020, 20:10 by rory@technomancy.org:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>I asked about this ~1½ years ago too ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/thread.html#43244 ). In the end I thought `sleepable:physical=yes/no` is an accurate tag, and fits the OSM philosophy well (* https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/043270.html ) (though I've only added <10 tags for that https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sleepable%3Aphysical )<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I created a simple pic4review misson, which you can duplicate if you want. ( https://pic4review.pavie.info/#/mission/1313 ). You could also suggest a StreetComplete quest<br></div><div><br></div><div>There was some reddit threads:<br></div><div>• https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible/<br></div><div>• https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench/<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, at 6:28 PM, Vucod via Tagging wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>Hello,<br></div><div><br></div><div>1) I wish to tag benches that were designed to avoid that someone lie <br></div><div>on it. There has been some related discussions in the past <br></div><div>(https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench/ )<br></div><div>but with no conclusion. It is possible that it has retained people to <br></div><div>map that kind of objects. Today, there is nearly no such information in <br></div><div>OSM. Maybe it is because it is not its place? Nobody expressed that <br></div><div>clearly. <br></div><div><br></div><div>So, I started to use the tag *lying_hindrance=yes* on some benches. In <br></div><div>case of doubts, this can be verified when doing surveys, by lying on <br></div><div>the bench. This could also be determined most of the time by looking at <br></div><div>a few things. The length of the bench, the presence of a slope, the <br></div><div>presence of separation between the seats of the bench, and by checking <br></div><div>if it is a standing bench. Note that length was refused as an official <br></div><div>key for bench and that the key for the separation doesn't exist <br></div><div>(armrest does not specifically concern the inner part of the bench). <br></div><div>The tag could be extended by specifying the hindrance type: armrest, <br></div><div>standing_bench, short_length, slope, ...<br></div><div><br></div><div>What do you think about this tag? Do you have alternative ideas?<br></div><div><br></div><div>2) Also, I wish to map something else related to hostile architecture <br></div><div><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture>. I wish to map <br></div><div>devices that are placed near the entrance of shops to prevent people to <br></div><div>sit there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGdHfvsCP7A, <br></div><div>https://twitter.com/ArticuleE/status/1222197697333145603, <br></div><div>https://twitter.com/ArticuleE/status/1215931276944924672). I was going <br></div><div>to add a combination of tags on the building where the shop is located:<br></div><div><br></div><div>sitting_hindrance=yes <br></div><div>sitting_hindrance:location=street_side<br></div><div><br></div><div>It can also be verified quite easily. A general tag like <br></div><div>hostile_architecture={sitting_hindrance|lying_hindrance} would also be <br></div><div>quite useful for mappers to rapidly understand the purpose of these <br></div><div>tags.<br></div><div><br></div><div>What do you think about it?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your time<br></div><div><br></div><div>Vucod<br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div>Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div>Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging<br></div></blockquote> </body>
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