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<p>Yes, I've seen exactly such signage on a number of charging
stations in my area. I did consider the generator:source-type
tagging as well, and pretty much took the possible values from
there (plus adding the general 'renewable' tag), however this is
something that many different types of amenities advertise, like
camp_sites, farms, harbours, etc. Therefore, my question is if it
would be reasonable to also use as a tag for, e.g. buildings that
are available to the public and use lighting from renewable
sources. <br>
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<p>Furthermore, there doesn't yet seem to be a great standard for
mapping when electricity is available to the public - at least, I
couldn't find appropriate tags via the camp_site wikipages.
Closest seems to be <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_supply">power_supply</a>
(still in draft mode, but used some), however this seems to be
meant more for individual sockets and it wouldn't fit well with
tagging buildings that are simply powered by a specific type of
energy. Also, the tag 'electricity' is being used to map if
buildings are on- or off-grid (see also geographical distribution
of the tags), so electricity:source might fit a bit better than
power_supply:source, however both tags are not actually approved
yet. <br>
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<p>Perhaps we should try to combine the electricity draft and the
electricity:source draft to finally be able to map publically
used/available electricity? This seems to be, overall, a feature
sorely lacking in OSM even though most people use it every day. I
think it would be important to clarify which terminology is
officially in use.<br>
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<p>[Perhaps make electricity have the possible values grid or
generator, and then use the tags generator:source and grid:source
to further specify? This might be a problem for electricity=yes
-> yes:source=renewable doesn't make sense, but it might not be
possible for the mapper to verify if there is clear signage of
'100% renwable energy' but the source is not clear ]</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/09/2020 09:24, Jez Nicholson
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<div dir="ltr">For questions on ground-truth, the proposal page <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source</a>
cites examples such as the e-bike charging station with its own
solar panels supplying the electricity <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Solar-Stromtankstelle_in_Allentsteig.jpg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Solar-Stromtankstelle_in_Allentsteig.jpg</a>
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<div>Admittedly, a charging station could be supplied by
electricity from a green energy company that only uses
renewable energy. In which case, there may well be signage on
the station.</div>
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<div>Lukas, did you consider charging_station:source ? to be
similar to other power tags (power:generator +
generator:source=solar, power:plant = plant:source=solar)?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:30
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moz-do-not-send="true">lrichert@posteo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Colin, <br>
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<p>I agree that while a few suppliers source all of their
electricity from renewable sources, most simply add a
surcharge which is used to fund the growth of renewable
energy infrastructure and price the electricity as if it
were coming from solely renewable energy sources. I'm
working on an article for Wikipedia that will explain
green pricing tariffs in detail as this seems to be
lacking in English. <br>
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<p>Arguing if the definiton of 'green electricity' is
actually 'green' is not the point, this is already a term
that is explicitly advertised at the charging stations or
camp sites (see images in proposal) and also something
that consumers look for as they want to fund renewable
energies in the hope that all grid energy will be
completely 'renewable' in future. While this obviously
won't be for at least 15-50 years depending on who you
ask, I think it is a worthwhile attribute to map as some
people are conscious of what types of electricity
generation they wish to support. <br>
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<p> Best, Lukas</p>
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<div>On 29/09/2020 16:56, Colin Smale wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Lukas,</p>
<p>You do realise that all electricity is the same,
irrespective of how it is generated? The "greenness" or
otherwise is not determined by the connection, but by
the subscription/contract that the consumer has with
their supplier.</p>
<p>UNLESS they have a standalone generating capability,
like PV or wind turbine that is not connected to the
grid.</p>
<p>On 2020-09-29 16:00, Lukas Richert wrote:</p>
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<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I'd like to propose a new tag that defines the source
of publicly available electricity: <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source"
rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">electricity:source</a> </p>
<p>This could be used as an additional information tag
on amenities that provide electricity for public
consumption, such as bike/car charging stations or
camp sites. Many charging stations have nearby solar
or use green pricing tariffs. I've also seen camp
sites and harbours advertise this. </p>
<p>This topic came up as a group wanted to plan a bike
tour using e-bikes but only with renewable energy. I
noticed that there appears to be no easy way to filter
for the source of the electricity provided.</p>
<p>Potential discussion: It's not quite clear to me
whether power_supply or electricity is preferred for
this type of application. It might also be interesting
for consumers to see which buildings are powered by
green electricity if this is something a store or
similar advertises. So it may be worth expanding the
proposal to electricity used by the public even if not
directly available (e.g. lighting in a store).</p>
<p>Best regards, </p>
Lukas<br>
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