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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oct 2, 2020, 19:56 by redoubleyou@outlook.de:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class=""><p class="">The aim of this proposal is to establish a new tag for a type of „shops“ that are way less professional as the „normal“ shops.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>This would result in all "less professional" shops - from one selling herbs to one selling electronics<br></div><div>to use one shop value.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I also think that usual shop=* tagging is perfectly fine to be used on "less professional" shops, no<br></div><div>matter what kind of "less professional" we take.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class=""><p class="">I agree absolutely that somone who makes bread by itself and sells that in front of its house, we should tag it by shop=bakery. So the grade of „selfmadeness“ does not matter.<br></p><p class=""> <br></p><p class="">Thanks also for the ideas around the tag shop=farm. But I think, what I mean is more specific. If I would use shop=farm I would expect a proper store with counter and staff. I think the idea of improving it by using openeing_hours="by appointment"
is a good objection. Problem here: How can the goods be further specified? How can it be stated that horse manure can (also) be bought in this shop=farm? Or game (regardless of whether it was created through breeding or was shot by the hunter)? I think these
products are not that typical for a shop = farm. Or the other way around: By using shop=farm you cannot find any places (e.g. via overpass) where horse manure can be bought.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>There were some attempts to tag what is sold in a shop, product by product.<br></div><div><br></div><div>See <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org//search?q=sells">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org//search?q=sells</a> or even weirder tag soup like<br></div><div><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/dried_fruits">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/dried_fruits</a> that I used twice.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nothing really popular, but sells:horse_manure=yes can be used<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class=""><p class="">I hope at this Point it is clear what is meant by the proposal. (Maybe the name „direct_marketing“ is confusing – feel free to make suggestions)<br></p></div></blockquote><div>Do not attempt to put different shop types in one shop tag<br></div><div><br></div><div>"<b>honey</b> can be obtained directly from the beekeeper"<br></div><div><br></div><div>shop=honey seems to fit<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dhoney">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dhoney</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbeekeeper">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbeekeeper</a><br></div><div>even recommends <br></div><div>"The beekeeper might sell their products from their workplace, use shop=honey in this case."<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>"<b>game</b> from the forester"<br></div><div><br></div><div>sounds like shop=butcher (not sure, never encountered something like that)<br></div><div>craft=hunter (???)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class=""><div> <br></div><p class="">Another idea I like is to use craft=* in combination with direct_marketing=*. Inquiry here: which values you want to use? Something like „game“ and „horse_dung“ (separated by semikolon) or just „yes“? And of course the challenge here is
to find a „craft“-value for all issues.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>"direct marketing" in English means something specific - see.<br></div><div>See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_marketing">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_marketing</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>direct_sale_from_producer=yes (????)<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class=""><div> <br></div><p class="">Thanks<br></p><p class=""> <br></p><div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p style="border:none;padding:0cm" class=""><br></p><div><b>Von: </b><a href="mailto:elgaard@agol.dk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Niels Elgaard Larsen</a><br></div><div> <b>Gesendet: </b>Freitag, 2. Oktober 2020 13:44<br></div><div> <b>An: </b><a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <b>Betreff: </b>Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)<br></div><p><br></p></div><p class=""> <br></p><p class=""><br></p><div>Wieland Kestler:<br></div><div> > Hi everyone!<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal for tagging<br></div><div> > points where people can buy e.g. game (meat) directly from the forester.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> What does "directly" mean?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> That forester probably did not shoot the animal himself. He most likely is not<br></div><div> allowed to butcher it. And it might not actually be him selling the meat when you<br></div><div> pick it up.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> shop=farm might be a stretch for game, although I do know a place selling deer meat<br></div><div> that have all the deers inside a big fence.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> shop=farm is already used for eggs and honey.<br></div><div> I would also assume that horse dung being sold usually does not come from wild horses.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> As for shop=farm not being permanently available, we have the "opening_hours" and<br></div><div> "seasonal" tags. We can also use shop=farm,openeing_hours="by appointment" if there<br></div><div> is not a shop infrastructure.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > For more details see the proposal page:<br></div><div> > <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing</a><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > For comments use the discussion page:<br></div><div> > <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing</a><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Tanks!<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Wieland<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div> > Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> > Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div> > <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div><div> > <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> -- <br></div><div> Niels Elgaard Larsen<br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div><p><br></p><p class=""> <br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </body>
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