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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Clare: this is a good discussion to have.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It seems as though the emergence of rideshare services is still being addressed at various legal levels but, at least in the UK, rideshare vehicles are not classed taxis and so are not ordinarily
entitled to use bus/taxi lanes. If situations exist where rideshares are specifically allowed (or not), and that access is distinct from taxi or a regular motor_vehicle, then a key should exist to denote that. I note that the proposal has been updated to reflect
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">> </span>Joseph Eisenberg: But you will also need to add a definition of a "rideshare vehicle", since this will need to be translated for places where Lyft and Uber do not operate, and where English
is not used (e.g. Indonesia). Unfortunately I don't see a good online source for a definition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Perhaps such definitions are dependent upon local/national legislation. In your follow on examples, do those services enjoy the same access rights as PSVs? If yes, then perhaps they should simply
be covered by that tag? If they do not, do they have any additional or fewer access rights than simply motor_vehicle/cycle? If not, then perhaps they should simply be covered by those respective tags?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So a definition could be something along the lines of: “A private hire vehicle, often booked through an online service or a mobile application, that does not enjoy the same legal standing as a taxi
service. Exact definition may depend on local law but usually denotes services such as Uber and Lyft.”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A taxi that also takes bookings/collects fares via an app is still a taxi, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Nathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The "proposal" section currently fails to include the actual proposal: that is, what new key and tags are you proposing to use?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It looks like the proposal is: "approve the use of the new key "rideshare=" with values "yes" and "no" to specify legal access for rideshare vehicles."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But you will also need to add a definition of a "rideshare vehicle", since this will need to be translated for places where Lyft and Uber do not operate, and where English is not used (e.g. Indonesia). Unfortunately I don't see a good online
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is a Gojek motorcycle a rideshare vehicle? See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojek">
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<p class="MsoNormal">What about pedicabs (tricycles) which are hailed with a smartphone app?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or should only passenger cars be included?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What about taxis which also get fares via an app?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Joseph Eisenberg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:44 PM Clare Corthell via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Here is the RFC for the proposal for rideshare vehicle access:</span><span style="color:#500050"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Proposal:
</span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access</span></a><span style="color:#500050"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Discussion:
</span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:#500050"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This proposes the addition of rideshare as a use-based access mode for land-based transportation. This would enable mapping restriction or permission of rideshare
vehicles to nodes and ways. As mentioned in the proposal </span><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rideshare_Access#Case_.231:_Denver_Airport" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">example cases</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">,
this typically arises in dense traffic patterns such as airport pickup zones.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This proposal originated from the experience of the Lyft mapping team seeking to improve the accuracy of routes we build from an OSM-based map. Because our
rideshare operations are North America based, we bring a perspective that centers the policy for right-of-way in this context. We would especially appreciate feedback on the applicability of this tagging to other parts of the world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Looking forward to your commentary and feedback.</span><span style="color:#500050"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Product Manager, Lyft Mapping</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Lyft Creates Hyper-Accurate Maps from Open-Source Maps and Real-Time Data</span></i></a></span><span style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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