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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>20 paź 2020, 00:52 od robert@rtbk.com.au:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div>Perhaps the use of man_made could be dropped all together as it is somewhat superfluous.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ie. man_made=bridge is the same as bridge=yes<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Are you aware that we have bridge=yes<br></div><div>and man_made=bridge used with a <br></div><div>different meaning?</div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Perhaps all of the existing man_made=[value] tags should be changed to [value]=yes<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rob<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 9:46 am Robert Delmenico, <<a href="mailto:robert@rtbk.com.au" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">robert@rtbk.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div dir="auto"><div>Please read this article:<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/pep/index-fra.html?lang=fra&page=usage_7_gender_neutral_writing_questions_usage">https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/pep/index-fra.html?lang=fra&page=usage_7_gender_neutral_writing_questions_usage</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">'Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.'</span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">Yes it does. Why would society also use women-made?</span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">'It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these issues.</span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">Why? Can't they speak for themselves?'</span></span><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">Hence why I said who am I to decide! </span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">'Marriam-webster:</span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">==</span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">Definition of man-made</span></span><br></div><div><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">: manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings'</span></span><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/not-everything-is-man-made-13-amazing-inventions-you-can-thank-women-for/">https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/not-everything-is-man-made-13-amazing-inventions-you-can-thank-women-for/</a></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">Should we use the term man-made if it is made entirely by women?</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">Also, check out the translations in the Collins dictionary - what do you notice? </span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><a rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/man-made">https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/man-made</a></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif">'As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.'</span></span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Midwife actually translates as 'with woman'. The wife part relates to the person giving birth.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="" dir="ltr">On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 8:44 am Niels Elgaard Larsen, <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:elgaard@agol.dk">elgaard@agol.dk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class=""><div>Robert Delmenico:<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I originally put the call out really to gauge if there was much interest in changing <br></div><div> > the term man_made because of its use of 'man', and was interested in hearing the <br></div><div> > thoughts from other mappers as really this proposal isn't just mine. If there was no <br></div><div> > interest I would just abandon it and move on - that's how the system works yeah?<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Here's my thoughts based on the feedback received so far<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > Regardless of the origin of the term, the current use of 'man' is to identify adult <br></div><div> > males.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > I don't think the use of 'man_made' offends women, but who am I to decide that as I <br></div><div> > am a adult male.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these issues.<br></div><div> Why? Can't they speak for themselves?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > I feel that by using any masculine or feminine terms where a suitable alternative <br></div><div> > exists instills the stereotypes based on these terms.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Marriam-webster:<br></div><div> ==<br></div><div> Definition of man-made<br></div><div> : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings<br></div><div> ==<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> > We don't refer to firefigters as firemen anymore, not do we refer to airline <br></div><div> > attendants as airline hostesses. The world is changing and OSM should adapt to these <br></div><div> > changes if there is enough interest from the OSM community.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> -- <br></div><div> Niels Elgaard Larsen<br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote> </body>
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