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--></style></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I was referring to the fact people may start wanting to change other tags, I was not talking about language changing.</p><p class=MsoNormal>Changing any tags at all in an unnecessary (from a mapping point of view) way I disagree on, but we should at least make it easy to do if it’s going to happen again.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:c933103@gmail.com">Phake Nick</a><br><b>Sent: </b>21 October 2020 15:28<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tag discussion, strategy and related tools</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif'>在</span> 2020<span style='font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif'>年</span>10<span style='font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif'>月</span>21<span style='font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif'>日週三</span> 17:37<span style='font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif'>，</span>Oliver Simmons <<a href="mailto:oliversimmo@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliversimmo@gmail.com</a>> <span style='font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif'>寫道：</span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Agreed, if we are doing this once, we better have a way to do it again as doing it once guarantees that it will happen for another tag in the future.</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Changing in inside OSM and the OSM Wiki is the easier part though, it’s informing and getting all of the software to recognise the new tag (preferably both as the old tag will still remain on old stuff).</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Older software is the issue as getting that to be updated is near impossible.</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are *tons* of styles and software e.t.c. that are going to break</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">Colin Smale</a><br><b>Sent: </b>21 October 2020 10:25<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial</p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On 2020-10-21 10:59, Robert Delmenico wrote:</span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I'll do some more research before the vote goes ahead. I've read quite a bit of research around gendered language since first mentioning this idea. </span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I'll be sure to list them in the proposal but feel free to send through any sources that are both for and against the arguments I have raised. I'm thinking that I'll mention the arguments both for and against on the proposal page as this is a big proposal which if it succeeds will have a big impact.</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>If anyone has any arguments for or against that they wish to have included in the proposal, please feel free to leave them on the talk page for the proposal.</span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>If this goes through, it will be traumatic, however you look at it. Do you have any suggestions how to abstract this specific example into a more generic process to a) review all tags currently in the database; b) all wiki content suggesting tagging; and c) all future proposals, to assess their appropriateness in the current and likely future environment? </span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I don't mean to be flippant - this is a serious suggestion. If we are going to have this kind of discussion around any graphology incorporating "possibly offensive" groups of letters we had better have a proper policy in place and a well-oiled process to deal with it.</span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> </p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Tagging mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>Given the history of language evolution, people keep adopting different terms for discriminatory use and thus what uacceptable vs what is not will always be changing. And since it is almost possible to predict what term in the future will be used by duscriminators, it is basically impossible to guarantee it will happen again. The best we can do is to minimize such chance and hope next time it happens will be more than a millennium from now.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>