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<p>The tagging from the original proposal has now changed
significantly in the past weeks and, I think, has gotten more
robust and modular. It has, however, then lost backwards
compatability although the tag was not used often and it should be
straightforward to migrate the tags to the new scheme. I'd be
happy to hear more feedback on the proposal as it currently
stands. Otherwise, if discussion concludes this week I would then
move on to voting next week.<br>
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<p>Cheers, Lukas</p>
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<p>I have now switched over the tagging and examples to the
namespace based tagging of grid and generator. Overall, this
makes it easier and clearer to tag backup generators and
grid-connected houses with solar panels etc IMO. Perhaps it
would also be possible to then tag electricity:grid=yes and
electricity=no in the case of grid connected houses experiencing
a long-term power outage during a natural disaster?<br>
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<p>Regards, Lukas<br>
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<p>I also think the <b>electricity:grid=yes/no/backup</b> and <b>electricity:generator=yes/no/backup</b>
tags are clearer and would allow for off-grid buildings to be
tagged more distinctly. <br>
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<p>The electricity tag isn't used a lot yet. I have no
experience with automated or semi-automated edits, but perhaps
changing electricity=none and electricity=grid to
electricity:grid=yes would be relatively straightforward?
(This is unfortunately the problem with people adding major
undiscussed/proposed tags to the main wiki. Especially
power_supply is frustrating. )</p>
<p>What do others think about the tag options</p>
<blockquote>electricity:grid=yes/no/backup<br>
electricity:generator=yes/no/backup<br>
electricity=yes
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electricity=no<br>
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<p>[electricity=yes would be used when grid or generator is
unknown] instead of <br>
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<p>electricity=grid<br>
electricity=generator<br>
electricity=yes<br>
electricity=no</p>
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<p>Cheers Lukas<br>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>While the original proposal did specify that
generators are usually diesel, broadening the
definition would only lead to a loss of detail, but
the tagging would still be correct. I'm hesitant to
use <b>offgrid</b> as a building that has, for
example, a grid connection with solar panels on the
roof would then be tagged as <b>electricity=grid;offgrid</b>
instead of <b>electricity=grid;generator</b>. The
former is illogical. <br>
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<p>However, I don't have any experience in developing
countries: is it easier to verify if something is
off-grid compared to if it is connected to a
generator? And, would it be necessary to
differentiate between local grids (i.e. 2-3
generators, no substations, transfromers, etc.) and
national grids? Perhaps then a network tag would be
useful, i.e. network=national, local, regional
similar to the way cycle networks are mapped?<br>
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<p>A further suggestion was to change the tagging to<b>
</b><b>electricity:grid=yes/no/backup</b> and/or <b>electricity:generator=yes/no/backup</b>.
This might be less ambiguous for tagging amenities
or buildings that get electricity from both sources
and would then be more consistent with tagging such
as <b>electricity:generator:origin=diesel</b> when,
e.g. a building has a backup diesel generator but is
connected to the grid. Unfortunately, it would then
not be consistent with the use by the Healthsites
Mapping Project, although this already has the
inconsistent <b>electricity=none</b> tag which
should probably be changed directly to <b>electricity=no.</b> </p>
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<div>Here is the link to that suggestion I made <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/electricity#multiple_values"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/electricity#multiple_values</a> and <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/electricity#origin_of_different_sources"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/electricity#origin_of_different_sources</a></div>
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<div>The whole point of the proposal process is to
identify these potential issues, resolve them, and get
community agreement. If the goal is just to implement
someone else's standard then we can't use the wisdom of
the community here to improve the tag, therefore I'm not
too fussed about making this match what another project
is using, instead we should aim to have the best tags
and documentation as the outcome of this proposal
process. Then if that's different, other projects
closely tied to OSM can migrate to the OSM community
accepted schema.</div>
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