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Thank you, Joseph.<br>
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If no one opposes, I'll do just that.<br>
Regards.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 16:43 de 12/11/2020, Joseph
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<div dir="ltr">Since the tag man_made=threshing_floor has
already been used 7 times (<a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values</a>)
you can create a page to document this, however, you would
also need to mention that historic=threshing_floor is much
more common (actually landuse=threshing_floor is also equally
common), and it would probably be fair to create a
historic=threshing_floor wiki page too, in that case. </div>
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<div>If you want to suggest deprecating historic=threshing_floor
and replacing it with man_made=threshing_floor, or otherwise
changing existing common usage, you should make a proposal so
that the community can discuss this.</div>
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<div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:53
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<div> So, given that most of those who commented this thread
agreed that threshing_floor should be in the man_made
scheme, should I add it to the wiki or create a Feature
Proposal?<br>
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<div>Às 19:27 de 06/11/2020, Paul Allen escreveu:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Fr., 6.
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Martin Koppenhoefer <<a
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<div>To me it doesn't make sense to draw a
line, dividing the same objects having
more or less historic value. If there is
something to distinguish at all, my
suggestion would be to add a qualifier
to those objects of exceptional
historical value (if this is
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<div>We have a way of tagging objects of
exceptional historical value, it's</div>
<div>historic=*. Objects of unexceptional
historical value, or of no historical</div>
<div>value do not get tagged with historic=*.
That's because historic is</div>
<div>not a synonym (in the real world or in
tagging) for old, disused or</div>
<div>repurposed.</div>
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<div>just that it is not what we are currently
doing.</div>
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<div>That is not what some of us are currently doing.
Others read the wiki page</div>
<div>and tag accordingly.</div>
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<div>It occurs to me that some of the mis-tagging (as
I see it) and some of the</div>
<div>discussions here may revolve around semantics as
interpreted by</div>
<div>those who do not have English as a first
language. There is a</div>
<div>difference between "historical" and "historic."</div>
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<div>Historians are concerned with historical data.
Old data (about</div>
<div>populations, diseases or whatever) is historical
data. The</div>
<div> assassination of a minor archduke, which seemed
unimportant</div>
<div>at the time, quickly turned into a historic
event.</div>
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<div>When somebody says that "historic" applies to
everything that</div>
<div>historians do, that is incorrect. What
historians mostly do is</div>
<div>look at historical data, some small fraction of
which is</div>
<div>also historic.</div>
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<div>See <a
href="https://www.grammarly.com/blog/historic-historical/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.grammarly.com/blog/historic-historical/<br>
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<div>for a better explanation.<br>
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<div>So historic=* really should only apply (as the
wiki page states) to the important</div>
<div>things of the past, not everything some random
historian might happen</div>
<div>to be looking into.</div>
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<div>So the question is, do we accept that because
some mappers have misused</div>
<div>the tag we should encourage that misuse or do we
discourage it?</div>
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<div>-- <br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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