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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 17:53 de 12/11/2020, António Madeira
      via Tagging escreveu:<br>
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      Thank you, Joseph.<br>
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      If no one opposes, I'll do just that.<br>
      Regards.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Às 16:43 de 12/11/2020, Joseph
        Eisenberg escreveu:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Since the tag man_made=threshing_floor has
            already been used 7 times (<a
              href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values</a>)
            you can create a page to document this, however, you would
            also need to mention that historic=threshing_floor is much
            more common (actually landuse=threshing_floor is also
            equally common), and it would probably be fair to create a
            historic=threshing_floor wiki page too, in that case. </div>
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          <div>If you want to suggest
            deprecating historic=threshing_floor and replacing it with
            man_made=threshing_floor, or otherwise changing existing
            common usage, you should make a proposal so that the
            community can discuss this.</div>
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          <div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:53
            PM António Madeira via Tagging <<a
              href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org"
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            wrote:<br>
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            <div> So, given that most of those who commented this thread
              agreed that threshing_floor should be in the man_made
              scheme, should I add it to the wiki or create a Feature
              Proposal?<br>
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              <div>Às 19:27 de 06/11/2020, Paul Allen escreveu:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 21:53, Martin
                  Koppenhoefer <<a
                    href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank"
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                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Fr., 6.
                            Nov. 2020 um 13:56 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen
                            <<a href="mailto:pla16021@gmail.com"
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                              <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at
                                09:09, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a
                                  href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com"
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                                <div>To me it doesn't make sense to draw
                                  a line, dividing the same objects
                                  having more or less historic value. If
                                  there is something to distinguish at
                                  all, my suggestion would be to add a
                                  qualifier to those objects of
                                  exceptional historical value (if this
                                  is verifiable).</div>
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                            <div>We have a way of tagging objects of
                              exceptional historical value, it's</div>
                            <div>historic=*.  Objects of unexceptional
                              historical value, or of no historical</div>
                            <div>value do not get tagged with
                              historic=*.  That's because historic is</div>
                            <div>not a synonym (in the real world or in
                              tagging) for old, disused or</div>
                            <div>repurposed.</div>
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                        <div>just that it is not what we are currently
                          doing.</div>
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                    <div>That is not what some of us are currently
                      doing.  Others read the wiki page</div>
                    <div>and tag accordingly.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>It occurs to me that some of the mis-tagging
                      (as I see it) and some of the</div>
                    <div>discussions here may revolve around semantics
                      as interpreted by</div>
                    <div>those who do not have English as a first
                      language.  There is a</div>
                    <div>difference between "historical" and "historic."</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Historians are concerned with historical data. 
                      Old data (about</div>
                    <div>populations, diseases or whatever) is
                      historical data.  The</div>
                    <div> assassination of a minor archduke, which
                      seemed unimportant</div>
                    <div>at the time, quickly turned into a historic
                      event.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>When somebody says that "historic" applies to
                      everything that</div>
                    <div>historians do, that is incorrect.  What
                      historians mostly do is</div>
                    <div>look at historical data, some small fraction of
                      which is</div>
                    <div>also historic.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>See <a
                        href="https://www.grammarly.com/blog/historic-historical/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.grammarly.com/blog/historic-historical/<br>
                      </a></div>
                    <div>for a better explanation.<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>So historic=* really should only apply (as the
                      wiki page states) to the important</div>
                    <div>things of the past, not everything some random
                      historian might happen</div>
                    <div>to be looking into.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>So the question is, do we accept that because
                      some mappers have misused</div>
                    <div>the tag we should encourage that misuse or do
                      we discourage it?</div>
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                    <div>-- <br>
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                    <div>Paul</div>
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