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On 22/11/2020 11:24, Richard Fairhurst wrote:<br>
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tagging@, please choose your follow-ups wisely]</span></div>
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If you go against the accepted principle of not X-posting on a
newsgroup, you've no entitlement to lecture how others respond.<br>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="caret-color: rgb(39, 39, 40);
color: var(--textColor);">Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:<br>
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seems that we are increasingly doing things to simplify the </span></div>
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because certain tooling can't handle the real level of </span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="color: var(--textColor);
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that exists in the real world. I'm in favor of fixing </span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="color: var(--textColor);
background-color: var(--backgroundColor);">> the tooling
rather than neutering the data.</span></div>
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Actually, splitting way because software can't handle it, is making
the database more complex.<br>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="color: var(--textColor);
background-color: var(--backgroundColor);">I sincerely hope
"I'm in favor of fixing" translates as "I'm planning to
fix", though I fear I may be disappointed.</span></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="color: var(--textColor);
background-color: var(--backgroundColor);">More broadly, we
need to nip this "oh just fix the tools" stuff in the bud.
(etc)<br>
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Likewise we need to stop software developers from expecting
contributors to add data purely because they can't be bothered/not
competent enough to write a few lines of code. (OSM-carto demanding
boundaries on ways & numerous routers expecting multiple
foodways to criss-cross pedestrian areas, are just two examples)<br>
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Contributing to the database (also *volunteers*) are expected to map
to a certain standard. There shouldn't be a reason to expect
develops not to do the same.<br>
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Desiring relations to list in their entirety is *not* a "0.1% case".
Splitting them into 'super relations' should not be the desired,
final solution. <br>
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If developers are offended at receiving suggestions on how to
improve their software, or even have it criticized, then they should
rescind it.<br>
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DaveF <br>
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