<div dir="ltr"><div>Joseph,</div><div><br></div><div>It's true proposed tagging deprecates the current pump=* definition according to rationale and wishes to use the pump word in a more appropriate way.</div><div><br></div><div>However, it would be ok to define mechanical_driver=powered for situations when mappers aren't able to determine a more precise value.</div><div>That would preserve the current distinction made on HDM render with mechanical_driver=manual/powered and offer possibilities to define a more detailed knowledge.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Giving more details about pumping capabilities of water wells would cause upgrading work for renders anyway: they have to support more pump=* values or drop it in favour of mechanical_driver=*<br></div><div>I now agree on the ability to state 'this water well has powered pumping capabilities' in case of no additional knowledge but don't get why limiting knowledge to manual/powered would be desirable.<br></div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>François<br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 21 nov. 2020 à 06:24, Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On the Talk page, the proposal author has now ignored two different requests to change the new pump=values to a different key like pump_mechanism, which would allow the continued use of pump=manual and pump=powered.<div><br></div><div>The author claims: "I find current tagging meaningless (with all due respect to people who created it in the past)" </div><div><br></div><div>This is absolutely disrespectful to the current mappers using this tag to specify the type of water well found in lower-income countries.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps you have never lived in a place where people get their drinking and washing water from public or semi-public wells. In these places it is quite important to know if a well is just a hole in the ground where you need to use a bucket and rope to draw out water (pump=no), or if there is a mechanical pump handle which you can physically operate, with some amount of force, to pump out bursts of water (pump=manual). </div><div><br></div><div>And the other type of well is "a well that is attached to pipes and a motorized pump", which is usually powered by electricity but sometimes by a diesel motor. In this type of well you don't have to use any physical effort at all, you just flip a switch or open a faucet and water comes out - as most Westerners are accustomed to enjoy in their own homes. </div><div><br></div><div>But you will need electricity or fuel to operate it. So usually a man_made=water_well + pump=powered is much more convenient, but when the power goes out or there is no fuel, it can be nearly useless, while a pump=manual is now much more helpful. </div><div><br></div><div>I am quite frustrated that this proposal has gone forward even though these concerns were brought up months ago on the Talk page.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div><br>
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