<div dir="auto"><div>Hello,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I want to give you an example of how I described this feature (inclined elevator) in my town..</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">First of all a master relation:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433645">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433645</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Then 2 relations:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433643">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433643</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433644">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10433644</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please note that bicycle=yes at relation level.</div><div dir="auto">Finally the way itself:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/358333577">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/358333577</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my opinion it's important to have a relation for this kind of features (specially for access tags).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please let me know what you think.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Francesco</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il sab 5 dic 2020, 01:44 Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I agree that the indoor or semi-indoor inclined elevators, which are fully enclosed and look completely similar to a vertical elevator, should be tagged as highway=elevator. <div><br></div><div>Once they are outdoors and there are visible tracks it gets ambiguous. </div><div><br></div><div>Since the Montmarte "funicular" is tagged as railway=funicular even though the pairs cars are now no longer connected to one cable, I think we can edit the Tag:railway=funicular page to mention that the tag is also used for similar cable-driven inclined railways which are not technically funiculars, but looks the same to the non-expert. </div><div><br></div><div>-- Joseph Eisenberg</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 3:30 PM Guillaume Chauvat <<a href="mailto:guillaume@chauvat.eu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">guillaume@chauvat.eu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I also think it's fine if the Montmarte funicular is tagged as a
funicular. But I'm asking because of things that are clearly
elevators, like this one:
<a href="https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tekniska-hgskolan-metro-station-stermalm-district-stockholm-sweden-41948022.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tekniska-hgskolan-metro-station-stermalm-district-stockholm-sweden-41948022.html</a>
. It goes on a path parallel to the escalators, not vertically (I
have been inside). To me it looks very wrong to call this a
funicular. But maybe others disagree...<br>
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Guillaume<br>
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<p>The wiki page text says
that a railway=funicular is "A funicular, also known
as an inclined plane or cliff railway, is a cable
railway in which a cable attached to a pair of
tram-like vehicles on rails moves them up and down a
steep slope, the ascending and descending vehicles
counterbalancing each other.”</p>
<p>However,
the description in the infobox (which is much more
commonly seen in places like taginfo and iD) is only
“Cable driven inclined railway” - and this could
include many types of "inclined elevators” which
mostly run on rails too. So mappers might be using
railway=funicular for inclined elevators already.</p>
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<div dir="auto">Indeed they are. For example, here's the
Montmartre Funicular in Paris, which was historically a true
funicular but is now technically a pair of inclined elevators:
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29403578" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29403578</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">The distinction between a funicular and an
inclined elevator is to me a technical one. Many inclined
elevators, like the previous example, are named as funiculars,
and passengers may not even notice that they are on one or the
other - for all they know, they're just on a vehicle going up
and down steeply sloped rails.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I'm in favor of tagging inclined elevators as
funiculars whenever they may resemble one. Perhaps an
additional tag like railway:funicular=inclined_elevator could
be invented for those interested in the technical details on
how the steep-slope-railway-thing works. </div>
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