<div dir="ltr">Ah yes, I temporarily forgot that we have other street view sites! Thank you for that subtle nudge.<div><br></div><div>I pulled up this [1] example at random, which is tagged in the map with hazard=cyclists (on a stretch of way). I assume this means (in this specific case) "cyclists enter the roadway 100m ahead". Next randomly selected example [2] in Poland is a spot where a signed bike lane ends and cyclists begin sharing the road with cars.</div><div><br></div><div>Now admittedly, 239 usages is a tiny amount of existing usage, but the way I've described it in the proposal seems consistent with how mappers have actually used this tag so far (bike in road hazards). I also recently changed over the example image in the proposal to a MUTCD-style "share the road with bicycles" sign, which is a less ambiguous descriptor than the red-triangle-with-a-bicycle variants.</div><div><br></div><div>I tend to favor formalizing existing usage rather than inventing new tags, as well as more concise tags instead of verbose ones. If there is a consensus that hazard=cyclists will be misused if approved and documented, we can change it to something invented like hazard=cyclists_in_road. If there isn't a consensus on what to do with this value, I would just drop this particular value from the proposal as a future problem in order to approve the set of tags that we all agree on!</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.31666000000001&lng=8.407069999999976&z=18&focus=photo&pKey=BoYvMnLxXMr0KaUmIDPxhg">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.31666000000001&lng=8.407069999999976&z=18&focus=photo&pKey=BoYvMnLxXMr0KaUmIDPxhg</a><br></div><div>[2] <a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.50421582735714&lng=14.477556379223921&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=aaBuvm_A9utc1PYDRyGyXw&x=0.5085941428184124&y=0.5962547075134255&zoom=0">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.50421582735714&lng=14.477556379223921&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=aaBuvm_A9utc1PYDRyGyXw&x=0.5085941428184124&y=0.5962547075134255&zoom=0</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:45 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On 7. Dec 2020, at 00:17, Brian M. Sperlongano <<a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The largest existing use of hazard=cyclists is in Germany. There is no Google StreetView in Germany<br>
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> , but from the small number examples [1] I looked at, it seems like this tag is being used for "cyclists in the road" hazards and not "cyclist crossings"<br>
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I have looked it up, and until 2013 the sign was called “crossing cyclists” while it is now called “cyclists”. It is typically set up before bicycle crossings or before a separate cycleway merges with the road.<br>
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Cheers Martin <br>
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