<div dir="ltr"><div>In principle a good idea.</div><div>In the jurisdictions I am familiar with, any marked pedestrian crossing gives priority to pedestrians over the traffic on the crossed road.</div><div>Unmarked crossing (no vertical sign, no horizontal sign) means no priority.</div><div>And each country has developed their own tagging on how to to map them in OSM, and sometimes more than one,.</div><div>But the priority rules are more complex than you ay be aware of, when it comes to cyclists crossing as well, which is a common situation.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Specifically in Italy we do have a strange situation, that cannot be tackled with any tagging, unless you tag 0nly the the signage, but not their meaning. <br></div><div>On normal pedestrian crossings cyclists riding their bike have no priority, they need to dismount and push their bike, as pedestrians, to have the priority.</div><div>On explicitly marked bicycle-only crossings or bicycle-plus-foot crossings they have the priority without dismounting.<br></div><div>So far so good</div><div>If a pedestrian-only crossing is painted and signposted to connect two mixed foot-cycle-paths, cyclists have the priority even if the road signs do not show it (and it is ìonly based on some legal cases, but i tis not written in the Highway Code.</div><div>The solution is to map what is on the ground, i.e. the signing, but leaving the interpretation of the signing to the road user. .</div><div><br></div><div>In addition we have another area of uncertainty, i.e. the cases when footways meet cycleways.As far as I know there are simply no rules for that case.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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<div>Yes, most likely this won't be required. However I have kept it there in case it works differently in other countries. Maybe not all zebra crossings in Singapore have belisha beacons (for example, I don't know if this is true). That is why I am leaving it open for discussion for now, if after the RFC it is decided that this is a bad idea I'll remove it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>IpswichMapper</div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>13 Dec 2020, 19:50 by <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>It seems to be proposing also belisha_beacon=yes that<br></div><div>is now unused<br></div><div><a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org//search?q=belisha_beacon%3Dyes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org//search?q=belisha_beacon%3Dyes</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>At the same time it has <br></div><div>"However, in countries like the UK, where belisha beacons are used, every <br></div><div>single zebra crossing has belisha beacons installed, so there is no
need to tag them"<br></div><div><br></div><div>There is also<br></div><div>"Indicates the presence of a "belisha beacon" at the crossing. (Most likely unnecessary, discuss below)"<br></div><div><br></div><div>Given there is no indication that it would be useful or needed I think<br></div><div>that it should be not proposed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If that it would be useful or needed it can be proposed separately.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Note that having two proposals in one will result in people voting against<br></div><div>if there are against any of them, so splitting would be a good idea<br></div><div>anyway.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Dec 13, 2020, 20:25 by <a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crossing%3Dpriority#Tagging" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/crossing%3Dpriority</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is my first proposal for a tag to describe pedestrian crossings where the pedestrian has right of way over all vehicles on the road from the moment they have indicated their intent to cross. I created this because "crossing=zebra" or "crossing=marked" aren't clear enough. Please read the proposal for more details.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>IpswichMapper<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </div>
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