<html dir="ltr"><head></head><body style="text-align:left; direction:ltr;"><div>Right, this is what I was thinking as well, it makes a lot of sense to have the direction that's on the sign post to aid with navigation. It seems a dedicated wiki that documents current practices would be helpful. Thank you!</div><div><span><pre>-- <br></pre><div style="width: 71ch;">Skyler</div></span></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, 2020-12-16 at 16:33 +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><pre>On 16.12.2020 14:19, Skyler Hawthorne wrote:</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><pre><br></pre><pre>On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, at 05:44, Tom Pfeifer wrote:</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><pre>What is written on the sign at this junction? If "North" is mentioned there I would be</pre><pre>happy enough with the tagging above.</pre></blockquote><pre><br></pre><pre>That is correct, the sign says "I 787 North". However the wiki page for the destination:ref key states:</pre><pre><br></pre><pre> The key destination:ref <</pre><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination:ref>=*"><pre>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination:ref>=*</pre></a><pre> should be</pre><pre> used to specify the reference of the roads directly ahead as indicated on signposts, road</pre><pre> markings or similar. The value of this key should be equal to the value of the key ref</pre><pre> <</pre><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref>=*"><pre>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref>=*</pre></a><pre> of these roads.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>Note the last sentence. If the destination:ref must be the same as the ref it is going to, then this </pre><pre>would be I 787, or else all the ways along the entire I 787 route should have their ref tags changed </pre><pre>to indicate direction as well.</pre></blockquote><pre><br></pre><pre>Well, it says 'should', not 'must', thus in this case using destination:ref="I 787 North" is a </pre><pre>refinement of just "I 787". Maybe an improvement for the phrase in the wiki would be</pre><pre>"should be equal to or a further qualification of related to the value...".</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>On 16.12.2020 15:41, Paul Johnson wrote:</pre><pre> > Wouldn't it make more sense, and isn't it already more common, for destination tags to contain the</pre><pre> > information on the destination signs, which /do/ differentiate direction?</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>Haven't analysed that, but if the destinations are signposted that way, it should be reflected in</pre><pre>the tagging.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre> > I feel like this is another example of "the wiki was written by someone with inadequate information."</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>Both tagging and wiki develop, hopefully forward. In this case, Key:destination:ref redirects</pre><pre>onto an old 2012 proposal, I'm probably going to resolve that soon with describing the current practice.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre> tom</pre><pre><br></pre><pre><br></pre><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>Tagging mailing list</pre><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org"><pre>Tagging@openstreetmap.org</pre></a><pre><br></pre><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging"><pre>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</pre></a><pre><br></pre></blockquote></body></html>