<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 6:00 PM stevea <<a href="mailto:steveaOSM@softworkers.com">steveaOSM@softworkers.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Dec 23, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com" target="_blank">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Do those people think they live in this town?<br>
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> My own city is a major built-up area, but as you go out into the surrounding country, you come to suburbs with acre / <hectare house blocks, then a bit further there are multi acre / hectare blocks, but where does the "city" end?<br>
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In my neck of the woods (California, USA), especially with what are known as "incorporated municipalities" (a city or town as a "body politic" as a distinct, limited entity), there are ALWAYS boundaries around these: you are either in or out. Again — and this is how it is in the USA (though I suspect something similar happens in the rest of the world) — such formalized cities / towns are distinct from "unincorporated areas" like villages, hamlets and smaller which are not "really" cities or towns (they are not incorporated under the laws of the state as an incorporated, charted... "city"), but are large enough to aggregate as a conurbation substantial enough so that the people who live there agree they are all members of a common "community." These are usually under 10,000 inhabitants, often under 3,000 or even 1,000, but 1,000 people, collected together in close proximity, are something humanity recognizes as a "something." Terminology varies, but the basic concept doesn't.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>One important thing here - which I mention because the two get confused regularly - is that an area may be well defined and formally bounded, and a significant conurbation with a name and local identity, but not have home rule. Incorporation as a town or city is not necessary to associate a place with a well-defined (multi)polygon. </div><div><br></div><div>The largest such that I'm personally familiar with is Brentwood, Long Island, New York, which is in practice a small suburban (in the US sense) city of about 61,000 inhabitants, but which is legally simply an unincorporated area of the Town of Islip. It's boundaries are well defined by exclusion; it is not Bay Shore, nor Deer Park, nor Central Islip, nor Islip proper - but excluding all of the above gives a simple closed polygon. Brentwood has its own school district, post office, and railroad station, and has a fairly well defined 'core' (the commercial area near the Brentwood train station). There are signs at Brentwood's borders. It's possible to answer without ambiguity whether a dwelling is or is not in Brentwood. But there are no articles of incorporation for a village, no legislative designation for a town, no city charter. No home rule at all: its only municipal government is the township.</div><div><br></div><div>New York has many such; Brentwood merely happens to be the largest. Occaionally, even two adjacent unincorporated areas will have a well-defined boundary, usually a road or a natural feature. Inwood and Woodmere, for instance, are separated by Mott's Creek. Woodmere and Hewlett are divided by segments of a half-dozen roads. These boundaries, too, are signed and designated. </div></div><div><br></div><div>(Of course, for all of these, I'm pretty sure that there are goofs in the imported-from-TIGER borders. I'm not down that way enough - particularly in the Time of the Great Plague - to fix them, though.)</div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin</div></div>