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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dec 26, 2020, 02:37 by gdt@lexort.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div><br></div><div>Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com> writes:<br></div><blockquote><div>Is it correct to say that landuse=conservation has been deprecated,<br></div><div>practically, by boundary=protected_area<br></div><div><https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area>, even<br></div><div>though that tag has not been approved?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Brief points (since I've said this before):<br></div><div><br></div><div> landuse=conservation means that the primary human use of the land is<br></div><div> to preserve it in a natural state. It is not necessary for any legal<br></div><div> protected_area status to apply for this to be true.<br></div></blockquote><div>Note that <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation</a><br></div><div>has yet another different definition, that is about legal protection<br></div><div>"Conservation land is land protected from development."<br></div><div><br></div><div>Or is it outdated and it is universally used with meaning that you mention?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Looking through<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:landuse%3Dconservation&action=history">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:landuse%3Dconservation&action=history</a><br></div><div>it was either redirect to that proposal or since 2017 a deprecation claim.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Given that deprecation edit links no discussion, and that there is no<br></div><div>clear support for that I edited it into form easier to<br></div><div>edit (sadly, due to data items it is quite tricky and requires<br></div><div>action=purge hacks)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to improve it, right now I linked original proposal,<br></div><div>deprecation edit and this mailing list thread.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> Therefore, while most land that is boundary=protected_area should also<br></div><div> be landuse=conservation<br></div></blockquote><div>I am not convinced that it would be useful to double tag in this way.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> I have always felt that the deprecation was by fiat of the people<br></div><div> pushing boundary=protected_area, with no real discussion, no vote, and<br></div><div> no legitimacy.<br></div></blockquote><div>At least noone linked anything like that so far so I reverted deprecation<br></div><div>claim.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> The entire situation o this alleged deprecation has felt nasty<br></div><div> socially to at least me and I think others in Massachusetts where we<br></div><div> have been using landuse=conservation for a long time. Basically "we<br></div><div> aren't listening; you are wrong, and we are going to revert your local<br></div><div> mapper work that follows local consensus".<br></div></blockquote><div>If someone marks tag as deprecated without explanation and<br></div><div>without discussion and there is opposition to that<br></div><div>- then posting to tagging (or just editing wiki) is likely a good idea.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Like it was done in<br></div><div><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-December/056769.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-December/056769.html</a><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> It is a real problem that this alleged deprecation has made its way<br></div><div> into editors<br></div></blockquote><div><a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema">https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema</a> - iD issue tracker<br></div><div><a href="https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/ReportBug">https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/ReportBug</a> - how to report<br></div><div>JOSM bug<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>The wiki should document existing use.<br></div></blockquote><div>+1 (and there are proposals for documenting proposed changes) <br></div><div><br></div> </body>
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