<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div data-html-editor-font-wrapper="true" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><p>I think this would add too many tags under power=* making it very hard to find the right tags</p><p>My opinion is that we need to put them into a category like we do with generators and plants. If we wouldn't have done that with generators we would have lots of different power=wind_turbine/solar_photovolatic panel/fusion_reactor/fission_reactor/.......</p><p>I think power=storage or power=energy_storage would be good. Than have all different methods of storing energy below this level.<br><br>29. Dezember 2020 13:22, "François Lacombe" <<a target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com?to=%22Fran%C3%A7ois%20Lacombe%22%20<fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com>">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>> schrieb:</p><blockquote><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>OSM power key use to get values defined by IEC 60050 standard.</div><div><a rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="http://www.electropedia.org/">http://www.electropedia.org/</a></div><div></div><div>A battery is defined by 482-01-04 as a set of cells.</div><div><a rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=482-01-04">http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=482-01-04</a></div><div></div><div>A cell is a assembly of component allowing to get electricity from chemical energy, defined by 482-01-01</div><div><a rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=482-01-01">http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=482-01-01</a></div><div></div><div>A generator is defined by 151-13-35 as a device converting non-electric energy into electricity.</div><div><a rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=151-13-35">http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=151-13-35</a></div><div></div><div>Then a battery would actually be a particular generator, as chemical energy isn't electrical energy.</div><div>Flywheels, compressed air systems aren't batteries, for instance.</div><div>I didn't understood it that way at first glance.</div><div></div><div>However, If we come to define power=battery in OSM, it should be exclusively related to chemical assemblies.</div><div>That doesn't prevent to have other power=* values that relate to mechanical or kinematical devices.</div><div></div><div></div><div>As electricity can't be stored, storage always occurs in a non-electric form and then involve only power generators.</div><div>Nevertheless, it's a property of both plants and generators then defining storage=* or power_storage=* would be more than welcome.</div><div></div><div>All the best</div><div></div><div>François</div></div> <div><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 29 déc. 2020 à 11:34, Lukas Richert <<a rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="mailto:lrichert@posteo.de">lrichert@posteo.de</a>> a écrit :</div> <blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1ex"><div><p>There are batteries or rather energy storage devices based on gravitational, mechanical or kinematical approaches such as flywheels, compressed_air etc. The question is how broadly we would define battery I think? It could either be broadly defined as any device storing energy or as "devices containing an electric cell or a series of electric cells storing chemical energy that can be converted into electrical power". Perhaps a boader power=energy_storage would be more suitable?</p><div>On 29.12.20 10:49, Warin wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 29/12/20 8:23 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><pre>sent from a phone</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre>On 29. Dec 2020, at 10:16, François Lacombe <a target="_blank" rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" tabindex="-1" href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com"><fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com></a> wrote: I'm not happy with things like generator:storage:type=lithium-ion and would really prefer power=battery + battery=lithium-ion + storage=electrochemical</pre></blockquote><pre>are there also batteries that aren’t based on electrochemical principles?</pre></blockquote><pre>?? I think they are all chemical.</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre>I would believe we could somehow combine the tags storage=electrochemical and power=battery into one tag, possibly by simply omitting one of them?</pre></blockquote><pre>There are a few ideas around, lets see if there are any more before reducing the options? </pre> <fieldset></fieldset><pre>_______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list <a target="_blank" rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" tabindex="-1" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a> <a target="_blank" rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" tabindex="-1" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></pre></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br>Tagging mailing list<br><a target="_blank" rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" tabindex="-1" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a rel="external nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" tabindex="-1" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><br><br><signature></signature></div></body></html>