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<p>In this case, I mean primary energy
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_energy">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_energy</a>) as "an energy found
in nature that has not been subjected to any human engineered
conversion process". This would include fossil fuels, nuclear,
solar, wind, goethermal, etc. but does not include electrochemical
cells in any form. <br>
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<div>IEC 151-13-35 = "<font face="">energy transducer that
transforms non-electric energy into electric energy"</font></div>
<div><font face="">OSM = "A device which converts one form of
energy to another, for example, an electrical generator."</font></div>
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<div><font face="">Precisely, OSM defines a generator as a device
that can also output thermal energy (and explicitly allows
tagging of such) which runs counter to the IEC definition.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/12/2020 14:19, François Lacombe
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<div>Hi Lukas, hi Christian,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 30 déc. 2020
à 11:05, Lukas Richert <<a
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<p>I would be strongly in favor of power=energy_storage
for individual modules instead of tagging them as
power=generator as proposed. I think it is useful to
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<div>Then you're in favour of separating primary (not storage)
from secondary (storage) battery cells?</div>
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<p>While both transform energy from one from into another,
generators convert from primary energy sources such as
fossil fuels or solar, while storage devices convert
from intermediate media, such as electrochemical cells.</p>
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<div>Primary battery cells runs on electrochemical substances
which precisely act as a fuel here.</div>
<div>I'm sure we'll find somewhere where primary cells are
refilled in place.<br>
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<p> I'd also like to note that OSM does not, in fact, use
the IEC definition of a generator.</p>
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<div>IEC 151-13-35 = "<font face="">energy transducer that
transforms non-electric energy into electric energy"</font></div>
<div><font face="">OSM = "A device which converts one form of
energy to another, for example, an electrical generator."</font></div>
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<div><font face="">Do you consider a difference in the output
form of energy?<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 30 déc. 2020
à 13:29, Christian Pietzsch <<a
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<p>I updated my proposal and tried to include your
idea mentioning the difference between primary power
generators and storage. </p>
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<div>It's better, thank you.</div>
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<div>Note that if power-to-gas is considered as storage,
petroleum tanks should be as well.</div>
<div>Don't we confuse storage and vector production?<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 30 déc. 2020
à 13:34, Christian Pietzsch <<a
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<p>I think type as I use it in the proposal fits quite
well. After all it groups up devices with similar
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<div>Then "type" isn't useful. It often (not to mention
always) doesn't bring additional information as anything
is a type or category of something in OSM.</div>
<div>storage=battery is as meaningful as
storage:type=battery</div>
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<div>All the best</div>
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