<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jmapb <<a href="mailto:jmapb@gmx.com">jmapb@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>On 12/31/2020 2:02 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote:<br>
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<div>I'll concede that including the blaze colour on
Oliverea-Mapledale Trail <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280416600" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280416600</a>
is poor practice, and I'll fix it in a day or two once
people have looked at it as an illustration of what Peter
is complaining about. It's not part of the name. In that
case, however, Oliverea and Mapledale - the two endpoints
- are indeed part of the proper name. That convention does
give rise to some awkward names - 'Giant Ledge - Panther -
Fox Hollow Trail' (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20198486" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20198486</a>)
surely doesn't trip off the tongue, but that's what the
signs and maps say.</div>
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<p>That's certainly what the maps say, but I've found precious few
trail signs in the Catskills that actually mention the trails'
names. The vast majority that I've come across simply list
destinations and distances with an example of the colored disc
used for blazing. Though indeed, often the trail names and
destinations are indistinguishable ... "Oliverea - Mapledale" and
"Giant Ledge - Panther Mountain - Fox Hollow" are both just
northbound itineraries repurposed as names, but at this point they
are the official names.<br>
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<p>If there's a posted map, I'm happy enough to take trail names
from that and call them verifiable. And of course the DEC's online
maps (in this case
<a href="https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/recmapbiwa.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/recmapbiwa.pdf</a> ) are
a good last resort. These always add the blaze color as part of
the printed name, and that style was carried over in a lot of the
early trail mapping on OSM.<br>
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<p>Obviously I missed one, but I too have been trying to move the
trail colors out of the names and into the tags. The general state
of trail tagging in the Catskills is somewhere between
inconsistent and abysmal, and it would be great to arrive at a
style guide for these.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No complaints, Jason, there are only so many hours in the day. I know that I had my mouse on that trail at some point, too, and didn't fix it. Slovenly of me.</div><div><br></div><div>Lots of trail names outside the Catskils are itineraries too. A handful of trails in Harriman (Lichen, Hurst, Major Welch, 1779, ...) have proper names, but most are either symbols (Red Cross, White Bar, Blue Disc, Triangle, ...) or itineraries (Ramapo-Dunderberg, Suffern-Bear Mountain, Tuxedo-Mt Ivy, Tmp-Torne, Hillburn-Torne-Sebago, Arden-Surebridge, ...) Just as so many of the streets around here are named for the town at the other end. (Balltown Road, Troy Road, Albany Street , Mariaville Road are ones that come immediately to mind in Schenectady County)</div><div><br></div><div>In the Adirondacks, some of the official names are just the location of the sign and what it says. "Elk Lake Trail To Marcy", "Mt Van Hoevenberg Trail To Marcy" </div><div><br></div><div>And yeah, you're right about the signage. The only sign I've seen for the Warner Creek Trail, for instance, is about a quarter-mile west of the summit of Plateau Mountain, blue and aqua disks, and the lettering 'Mt Tremper Fire Tower 10.4 Mi." Not even the usual brown-and-gold 'Trail To --- Follow Markers'.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin</div></div>