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<p>On 12/31/2020 2:02 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote:<br>
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<div>I'll concede that including the blaze colour on
Oliverea-Mapledale Trail <a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280416600"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280416600</a>
is poor practice, and I'll fix it in a day or two once
people have looked at it as an illustration of what Peter
is complaining about. It's not part of the name. In that
case, however, Oliverea and Mapledale - the two endpoints
- are indeed part of the proper name. That convention does
give rise to some awkward names - 'Giant Ledge - Panther -
Fox Hollow Trail' (<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20198486"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20198486</a>)
surely doesn't trip off the tongue, but that's what the
signs and maps say.</div>
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<p>That's certainly what the maps say, but I've found precious few
trail signs in the Catskills that actually mention the trails'
names. The vast majority that I've come across simply list
destinations and distances with an example of the colored disc
used for blazing. Though indeed, often the trail names and
destinations are indistinguishable ... "Oliverea - Mapledale" and
"Giant Ledge - Panther Mountain - Fox Hollow" are both just
northbound itineraries repurposed as names, but at this point they
are the official names.<br>
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<p>If there's a posted map, I'm happy enough to take trail names
from that and call them verifiable. And of course the DEC's online
maps (in this case
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/recmapbiwa.pdf">https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/recmapbiwa.pdf</a> ) are
a good last resort. These always add the blaze color as part of
the printed name, and that style was carried over in a lot of the
early trail mapping on OSM.<br>
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<p>Obviously I missed one, but I too have been trying to move the
trail colors out of the names and into the tags. The general state
of trail tagging in the Catskills is somewhere between
inconsistent and abysmal, and it would be great to arrive at a
style guide for these.</p>
<p>Happy New Year!<br>
Jason<br>
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