<div dir="ltr">I was under the impression that the purpose of tagging the electricity source was for electricity consumers that wished to discern between green energy and fossil fuel-supplied energy (or some other characteristic which might influence their decision) when "shopping", if you will, for a point-of-use electricity provider.<div><br></div><div>However, if an entire region or country has their electricity supplied by a common source, I would not be in favor of mapping every single electric outlet with this fact.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 1:37 PM Lukas Richert <<a href="mailto:lrichert@posteo.de">lrichert@posteo.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Let's not be needlessly pedantic - sure 95% probably also works.
The point is, compared to the age of the map, this will be a
relevant feature for a significant amount of time, at least in
some countries. If the feaure is not advertised anymore, the tag
dies out on its own.<br>
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<div>On 02/01/2021 15:55, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 14:32,
Lukas Richert <<a href="mailto:lrichert@posteo.de" target="_blank">lrichert@posteo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>When a country completely switches to renewable
energies in their grid, I would be overjoyed to
completely delete the electricity:grid:origin tags in
that region.</p>
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<div>So you think it necessary to wait for 100% renewable on
the grid?</div>
<div>99.99999% is not good enough? How about 99%? 98%?
Where</div>
<div>do you draw the line on that?
<div>In reality, the point where the tag can be removed is
when nobody</div>
<div>advertises the source any more. And that will come
long before</div>
<div>100% (or 98%) switchover on the grid. At some point
there is</div>
<div>no financial return to be had from advertising
renewable sources,</div>
<div>when non-renewable sources are a rare exception. That
point</div>
<div>will actually be even earlier than that, when
renewables are</div>
<div>common enough that the gains from advertising renewable</div>
<div>sources fall short of the costs of the advertising.<br>
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<p> Most countries are aiming for this to occur by 2050
with many still falling</p>
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<div>China recently changed the game. It realized it was
now cheaper to use</div>
<div>renewables than non-renewables, so committed to a
shorter timescale.</div>
<div>Economies of scale from China alone mean that renewable
costs,</div>
<div>already cheaper than non-renewable, will fall even
more. There's</div>
<div>a reason Exxon-Mobil is no longer in the Dow Jones
30-stock</div>
<div>benchmark: it's not going to be a big profit maker in
the future</div>
<div>so people are no longer paying a lot for the stock.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Advanced countries with competent leadership are
starting to follow</div>
<div> China's lead as they realize there's a large
manufacturing industry</div>
<div>developing that will be based in China unless they set
up their own</div>
<div> industries. They either compete with China now or buy
the hardware<br>
</div>
<div>from China for a long time to come. <br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>We have reached a tipping-point in the climate change
crisis: the one</div>
<div>where it's cheaper RIGHT NOW to do something than not
do</div>
<div>something. Future returns are not great drivers: "Do
something</div>
<div>now or you'll regret it in 30 years because of the
expense of</div>
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<div>dealing with severe climate change" doesn't influence
markets</div>
<div> much. "Do it now and you'll make money now" is a great
driver.<br>
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<div>I don't see this tag having a long life.</div>
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<div>-- <br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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