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<div>So we need tagging for<br></div><div><br></div><div>- lane obligatory for cyclists, supposed to be respected by cars<br></div><div>- lane obligatory for cyclists, not supposed to be respected by cars<br></div><div>- lane optional for cyclists, not supposed to be respected by cars<br></div><div></div><div>- lane optional for cyclists, supposed to be respected by cars<br></div><div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Jan 19, 2021, 10:57 by rob@hubris.org.uk:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>On 18/01/2021 16:51, Volker Schmidt wrote:<br></div><blockquote><div>Hi,<br></div><div>it seems that people are adopting the two-year old tag <br></div><div>cycleway:lane=advisory<br></div><div><https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway> tag for the new<br></div><div>"soft" bike lanes in various countries in Europe.<br></div><div>We have them too in Italy. (example 1<br></div><div><https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/uu8fFxtxTsXauu7kZjxxAg>, example 2<br></div><div><https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/7eknhQC31akzOMeO6z9YgD>)<br></div><div>My problem is:<br></div><div>There is no clear definition in the wiki, but from the wording I assume<br></div><div>that their use is not mandatory, hence the tag value "advisory".<br></div><div>However the new bike lanes in Italy are not advisory for cyclists, but<br></div><div>they are mandatory for cyclists. They are "soft" only for motorised<br></div><div>traffic as they can be used also by motorized traffic when the width of<br></div><div>the main carriageway is not sufficient.<br></div><div>They do have that problem in common with the "Schutzstreifen" in<br></div><div>Germany, which I believe is tagged in the same way.<br></div><div>They are "indirectly" mandatory to cyclists, as cyclists have to use by<br></div><div>law the outermost right hand part of the street (that includes the new<br></div><div>type of bike lane)<br></div><div><br></div><div>So the value "advisory" is wrong.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To further muddy the waters, the UK has advisory cycle lanes (with a<br></div><div>broken white line) and mandatory cycle lanes (solid white line).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Mandatory in this context means that it is a requirement that motor<br></div><div>vehicles do not drive in the lane, not that it is mandatory for cyclists<br></div><div>to use them. There are no lanes where it is compulsory for cyclists to<br></div><div>use them.<br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Tagging mailing list<br></div><div>Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br></div><div>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </body>
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