<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div>I'm not sure that this is the minor point that you think it is. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The definition offered is "<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:-apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"segoe ui",roboto,lato,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">Indicate the electricity source used in a public building or amenity."</span></div><div dir="auto"><font color="#202122" face="-apple-system, blinkmacsystemfont, segoe ui, roboto, lato, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font color="#202122" face="-apple-system, blinkmacsystemfont, segoe ui, roboto, lato, helvetica, arial, sans-serif">There are 430 million buildings currently tagged, and it's a legitimate concern that we don't want to tag the mere fact that a building has electric service on so many objects. I'm in favor of tagging "a place where I can go to access or purchase access to electricity", much in along the lines of </font>amenity=device_charging_station.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Electricity *as an amenity* is a far cry from "the electricity source used in a [...] building"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now, the text in the proposal section describes the "availability and access to electricity" rather than the <b>mere fact</b> that the building is electrified. So, I suspect that you intend it the way I described and that the definition in the info box is just an accidental holdover from a prior version of the proposal and could simply be fixed as a typo to match the description. That shouldn't invalidate the proposal unless people feel strongly otherwise.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm thinking the definition you want is something like "indicate whether there is a publicly accessible electricity source"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>If I, as an arbitrary member of the public, am able to walk into a place and use the electricity, it is a reasonable thing to tag, and is a very different concept from "is electrified". Should I assume that every public building in a first-world country has a plug available where I'm able to plug in my phone and charge it? I don't think this is a good assumption at all. A supermarket could have electricity, but not in a way that's accessible to the public.</div><div><br></div><div>Conversely, given the definition I've described above, electricity=no doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I guess it's intended to mean "there is no electricity available here, even though you might assume there would be"? I'm just not sure how to use that value, and it strikes me as equivalent to tagging ice_cream=no to indicate that a shop doesn't sell ice cream.</div><div><br></div><div>I hear your frustration, but we are talking about a tag which has the potential to touch hundreds of millions of objects in an undesired way if not carefully and intentionally described.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 4:05 PM Lukas Richert <<a href="mailto:lrichert@posteo.de" target="_blank">lrichert@posteo.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Mateusz,</p>
<p>the proposal doesn't encourage pointless spam. I have already
said that I agree with you and will add that language into the
final wiki page, although I personally think that it is a given
that one shouldn't tag things when there is a clear default.
Abstain from the vote if you must - I asked often enough if there
were any other small fixes that need doing, but I strongly object
to the word <b>encouraging</b> in your text. Encouraging would be
if I explicitly asked people to tag this on every public amenity,
which I don't. <br>
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<p>Unfortunately I can't change the wording during the vote but this
is a truly minor change that can be done afterward. You seem to be
trying to find any reason to vote against it - it's quite tiring -
instead of focussing on the substance of the proposal. <br>
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<p>Regards, Lukas<br>
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