<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 18:40, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
can you explain what it means? Usually someone would go to OpenStreetMap-Foundation when they have spotted information they do not like. Then the admins (or likely more precisely the board) would have to decide whether they will hand out the requested information (server logs, IPs, email address). Are there guidelines for this? To whom will they respond (British law enforcement? Other British authorities? Russian law enforcement? US law enforcement?) and whose requests would be generally denied? Are you completely on your own or will there be an attempt from OpenStreetMap-Foundation to protect their users?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To be honest, I don't think anybody could explain it for sure because nobody actually knows for sure exactly what it means, because I have never heard of it being tested? Anybody?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Repeating the message from Legal Group:</div><div><br></div><div>
<div><i>"OSMF and LWG are not in a position to evaluate the laws of all countries in which there may be mappers or mapping activity.<br></i>
<i><br>
As the Terms of Use say:<br></i>
<i><br>
</i>"You are responsible for your own actions: You are legally
responsible for your edits and contributions, so for your own protection
you<br>
should exercise caution and avoid contributing any content that may
result in criminal or civil liability under any applicable laws.<br>
Although we may not agree with such actions, we warn editors and
contributors that authorities may seek to apply other countries’ laws<br>
to you, including local laws where you live or where you view or edit
content. OSMF generally cannot offer any protection, guarantee,<br>
immunity or indemnification."<i><br></i>
<i><br>
This general caution applies to both mapping of military installations
as well as mapping of other sensitive areas (or mapping/surveying in<br>
general).<br></i>
<i><br>
I see no reason to alter the text of this paragraph. Feel free to link
to it or quote it in any wiki pages, but note that LWG does not<br>
regularly review or monitor the contents of wiki pages for legal accuracy" <br></i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div>& not having a go at you, Martin :-), but what's <i>your</i> interpretation of what that means?</div><div><br></div><div>To me, it's saying it's up to <i>you</i> personally to make sure what you are doing is legal in <i>your</i> country? I know I'm OK mapping military things in Australia, but can't say what the rules are anywhere else (although I'm pretty sure it'd also be OK in the UK, US & the EU?)</div><div><br></div><div>But I would also think that if "Somewhereia" saw that something was shown on OSM that they didn't like, they would simply ask for it to be taken down (which is what happens with Google Maps & images), rather than try to chase the person who mapped it in the first place? That would get incredibly messy very quickly, as I believe it would mean legal action being taken through a British court, against "me", an Australian who has never actually visited Somewhereia, on a charge of breaking Somewherian laws regarding security?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div><br></div></div>