<HTML><BODY><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;">Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:11 PM -06:00 from Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com>:<br> <div id=""><div class="js-helper js-readmsg-msg"><div><div id="style_16115262941257818115_BODY"><div class="cl_553749"><div>This is quite important in Arizona because the Interstate freeways completely replaced the previous paved roads through the Sonora desert, and usually you would have to travel 100s of kilometers out of your way to find another paved road. Many trans-continental bike tours take I-8 or I-40 through eastern California and western Arizona where there is no feasible alternative.<div> </div><div>Oregon also has this issue in a few places, where I-84 or I-5 is now the only road, since I-84 it replaced the historic Columbia River Highway through the Columbia River Gorge, and the old road thru the Blue Mountains, while Interstate 5 replaced Hwy 99 through the passes in the southern Oregon mountains (at Stage Road Pass and the Siskiyou Pass at the California border). </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><a href="https://secure.sos.state.or.us/oard/viewSingleRule.action?ruleVrsnRsn=183084">https://secure.sos.state.or.us/oard/viewSingleRule.action?ruleVrsnRsn=183084</a></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;"><div><div class="js-helper js-readmsg-msg"><div><div><div class="cl_553749"><div><div>Practically this means most bike tourists just entirely avoid these routes and plan alternatives which are 100 kilometers out of the way when given the choice, but if you actually need to get from A to B the Interstate is the only option, other than renting a car or taking the bus. </div><div> </div><div>So these particular motorways need explicit bicycle=yes and foot=yes tags. This is an area where we can be better than proprietary maps which often lack these details, making it impossible to plan legal (though unpleasant) bike routes. </div><div> </div><div>– Joseph Eisenberg</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote_mr_css_attr"><div class="mail-quote-collapse"><div class="gmail_attr_mr_css_attr"><span>On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:54 PM Volker Schmidt <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3avoschix@gmail.com">voschix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote_mr_css_attr"><div><div>The freeway rules in the US vary from state to state</div><div> </div><div>In Arizona, cyclists may generally use freeway shoulders, unless explicitly prohibited.</div><div>Pedestrians are generally not allowed. There are normally <a href="https://www.google.it/maps/@35.245152,-112.2157429,3a,15y,248.34h,83.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syeZt8wYJZsM-XgZrVexh4Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656" target="_blank">no-pedestrian signs</a> on the freeway entrance</div><div> </div><div>California:</div><div><font size="2">" <span style="font-family:serif">Section 21960 of the Vehicle Code allows Caltrans to prohibit nonmotorized travel on </span><span style="font-family:serif">freeways. It is Caltrans’ policy to prohibit <span>pedestrian</span>s on freeways. However, </span><span style="font-family:serif">Caltrans allows bicycle travel on approximately one-fourth of the State’s freeways. </span><span style="font-family:serif">Freeway shoulders that are open to bicyclists are usually in non urban areas where a </span><span style="font-family:serif">safe and convenient alternate route does not exist. </span> "</font></div><div>The prohibition is signposted: When you are on a freeway and the open part ends, this is indicated by signs "bicycles must exit".</div><div> </div><div>New Mexico</div><div>Bicycles on freeways generally ok</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote_mr_css_attr"><div class="gmail_attr_mr_css_attr"><span>On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 at 19:47, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div><div> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote_mr_css_attr">sent from a phone<br><br>> On 24 Jan 2021, at 18:16, Brian M. Sperlongano <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3azelonewolf@gmail.com">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> While this may be true in certain countries, quite simply, this is false as a general rule worldwide.<br>> US laws prohibit walking on Interstate highway, but there is not always signage explicitly prohibiting pedestrians. There are also state highways built to the same standards as interstate highways.<br><br><br>it’s the default for OpenStreetMap to assume everybody can access a highway road, unless it has restricted access (motorway). I am not familiar with the US situation, but I thought interstate highways are usually motorways? If a road is forbidden for pedestrians and not a motorway or motorroad, you should add foot=no IMHO, even in absence of signage.<br><br>Cheers Martin</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div data-signature-widget="container"><div data-signature-widget="content"><div> </div></div></div><div> </div></div></BODY></HTML>