<div dir="ltr">If it's clearly one thing, e.g. grass, or scrub, tag it as grass, or scrub. <div><br><div>If half of it is grass, and the other half is bushes and there is a tree, tag those separately. Same if its more like a thick hedge with some grass inside. </div><div><br></div><div>If it's flowers and grass now, but ground covering bushes may be there next year (as is normal in my town), or if it clearly doesn't matter, because it just covers a patch of useless (sorry, I mean decoratively filled) land, tag greenery. </div><div><br><div>If it's not clearly one thing or if it doesn't really matter, it's greenery. </div><div><br></div><div>The middle circle of a roundabout is often covered with greenery. </div><div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Vr gr Peter Elderson</div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 19:57 schreef Vincent van Duijnhoven via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>The only thing with greenery I can think of is some potential overlap between landuse=greenery with landuse=grass | flowerbed and potentially also leisure=park and leisure=garden. In other words, greenery might be too vague for some people to be clearly distinguished from the mentioned tags based on the value only.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If natural=greenery is used, the same applies to the above imo. greenery might be too vague to be distinguished from other natural values.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>Vincent</div><div><br></div><div>4 feb. 2021 18:41 van <a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com" target="_blank">pelderson@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div>Then I'll stick to duck tagging:<br></div><div>landcover=greenery<br></div><div><br></div><div>Second place:<br></div><div>natural=greenery<br></div><div><br></div><div>Where natural means: it's a naturally growing or flowing element, even though it's planted and maintained by humans. <br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">Fr gr Peter Elderson<br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 18:33 schreef Brian M. Sperlongano <<a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, "greenery" would also be a fitting description for these areas, and it is also familiar terminology in the US.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I think that's asking for mistagging. I can't see innocent mappers tagging seasonal flowerbeds, grass, and mixed grass, low trees and bushes as shrubbery.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In Nederland, this is called "groen", i.e. "green stuff". The most common urban variant is "gemeentegroen", i.e. municipal green stuff, because it's often maintained by a municipal service. In a previous iteration of this discussion I was told that "greenery" was a correct term for this, leaving out who owns or maintains the stuff. It's just what you see.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Vr gr Peter Elderson<br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 18:10 schreef Brian M. Sperlongano <<a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The potential pitfall with shrub/shrubbery is that these (sorry) landscaped areas very frequently have combinations of shrubs/bushes, leafy ground cover plants, ornamental trees, ornamental grasses, and flowers. So, if we are okay with handwaving all of these different categories away and saying that shrub/shrubbery (or whatever the tag gets called) also covers these areas of mixed landscaping that aren't exclusively a flowerbed but also aren't strictly just shrubbery, then I can live with that as long as this usage is carefully described to have that broad definition.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:48 AM Joseph Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">joseph.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">This use of “landscaping” is mostly US English and may not be understood in most of the world, where British English is standard.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It also lacks precision. Is a decorative garden “landscaping?” How about a vegetable garden? Just and area of grass?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We currently have tags for leisure=garden and landuse=grass and landuse=flowerbed, so I recommend focusing on what is missing: a tag for an area of cultivated decorative shrubs (aka bushes), which is not a hedge.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The term “shrubs” as the tag value will be the clearest option for International users, since “bush” has very different meanings in Australia, Africa etc.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">— Joseph Eisenberg<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 8:37 AM Brian M. Sperlongano <<a href="mailto:zelonewolf@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">zelonewolf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">This might be a language difference, but in US English "landscaping" is also used as a noun to describe an area of human-created plants or other natural objects that are groomed for aesthetic or decorative purposes. It includes lawns, cultivated beds of bushes and shrubs, etc.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 11:30 AM Peter Elderson <<a href="mailto:pelderson@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">pelderson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I think landscaping is an activity, a craft or an art maybe. Not a kind of object or covering. I think it is better to map what you see and can be clearly verified by anyone looking at it, not what you know or suspect has happened to make it look like that. <br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Peter Elderson<br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">Op do 4 feb. 2021 om 13:42 schreef Vincent van Duijnhoven via Tagging <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>From all discussion, I get the feeling that both a new landuse or natural value are not going to succeed because it is controversial to add a new value. Some will, I think correct, oppose because it would fragment the vegetation tagging even further<br></div><div><br></div><div>I had a discussion with ZeLonewolf on Discord. Would there be support for a tag like landscaping=*? Possible values could be shrubbery | grass | trees/forest | flowerbed etc. For example on the following image: <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://i.imgur.com/w4gAW6D.png" target="_blank">https://i.imgur.com/w4gAW6D.png</a> 1 would be tagged as natural=wood ( leave the discussion about how to tag the forest for now), 2 as landscaping=grass, and 3 as natural=tree. If 2 would have been low shrubbery for decoration, landscaping=shrubbery would be sufficient.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This tagging scheme would still honor for example natural=scrub from scrublands and natural=shrub from individual shrubs. Also, the landuse tag would be left untouched and still available to only tag real landuse (like residential and industrial). <br></div><div><br></div><div>Additionally, landscaping=* would allow to also properly tag the content of a leisure=garden and leisure=park in more detail. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Is this a workable solution?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div>Vincent<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> Tagging mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div> </div>
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