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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/2/21 5:27 am, Vincent van
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<div>I understand that compared with e.g. landuse=residential or
industrial, there is a notable difference. On the other hand,
landuse=bush would in my opinion perfectly fit with the other
landuse tags like village_green, grass, forest and flowerbed.
Especially if the bushes are maintained by the government, isn't
it then a landuse?<br>
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<p>Not in my view. Landuse : "used to describe the primary use of
land by humans". From the OSM wiki. <br>
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<p>You describe you 'landuse bush' as 'used for decorative
purposes'. So the landuse is decorative - much like a flower bead!
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<p>You should note that flowerbed is not approved. I would also
object to this tag too. <br>
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<p>The landuse=forest has many different interpretations,
unfortunately. There are those who use natural=wood to map the
presence of trees and use landuse=forest to map areas used to
produce tree produce for human use. <br>
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<p>I would think natural=bush would be a better key to start with as
you want to map the presence of a plant, not the human use of the
feature? <br>
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<div>About barrier=hedge, I think a clear distinction is its
function. Is it purely a barrier or is the main function
decorative. For example, the first and last of the four example
images are decorative in my opinion. Yes, the limit movement but
they are added for decorative purpose. A river and a house are
technically also barrier when navigating but they also have
their own tag.<br>
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<div>Village_green is a harder one. Atleast in the Netherlands, it
is almost not used only sometimes at the very center of a
village. I can't really comment on that one.</div>
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<div>Met vriendelijke groet/ Kind regards,<br>
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<div>3 feb. 2021 18:29 van <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stefan.tauner@gmx.at">stefan.tauner@gmx.at</a>:<br>
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<div>Vincent van Duijnhoven via Tagging
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<div>Definition: An area of bushes on cultivated land and in
the built environment, often used for decorative purposes or
to fill space and where barrier=hedge does not apply.<br>
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<div>I do see the need to tag these for (relatively speaking)
micromapping.<br>
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<div>However, I have a problem with how landuse is completely
broken (the<br>
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<div>old landcover vs. landuse debate). This proposal will lead
to further<br>
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<div>fragmentation of more general landuses, e.g., residential.
Since there<br>
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<div>are so many other problems regarding landuse anyway I
wouldn't downvote<br>
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<div>it because of that though (i.e., every hope is lost anyway
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<div>One thing that I think should be improved is the
distinction to<br>
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<div>barrier=hedge. Even the smaller ones are definitely
blocking or<br>
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<div>severely constraining some modes of use where landuse=grass
for example<br>
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<div>would be less of a problem, e.g., bicycle, wheelchair, or
stroller.<br>
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<div>From a mapper's perspective the question arises when is a
string of<br>
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<div>bushes a barrier=hedge and when it is not? Also, can it be
both?<br>
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<div>The other one is village_green. I have never understood the
existence<br>
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<div>of this peculiarity when on the other side there is useful
tag for<br>
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<div>basically the same thing outside the center of some
village. In any<br>
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<div>case there should be some guidance/distinction made there
too. How do I<br>
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<div>map an area of bushes within a village_green for example.<br>
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<div>Kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Stefan Tauner<br>
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