<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 10. Feb. 2021 um 00:10 Uhr schrieb Diego Cruz <<a href="mailto:ginkarasu@gmail.com">ginkarasu@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Local users can easily verify if a cemetery is historic or not. This is partly subjective, but you need to trust local users' common sense, as in any other tag.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> Is there a series of Baroque tombs? It's historic.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>so it is about age? When you say "baroque", do you mean from the 17th/18th century, or would late 18th, 19th and 20th century "baroque" also qualify? The monumental cemetery of Verano (Rome) would probably qualify, although it was opened only in 1812 (while the baroque period ended around 1740) and most (?) of it is from the 20th century: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cimitero_del_Verano">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cimitero_del_Verano</a> (on the other hand, maybe this does not qualify, because there is also a very old christian place of worship, Saint Lawrence outside the Walls, from the 4th century AD, which is even a Papal Basilica, and the proposal says: "Its scope of application is limited to cemeteries in the sense in which
they are understood in OpenStreetMap: «places usually independent of
place of worship» and «not close to a place of worship»"?)<br></div><div><br></div><div> I guess even younger cemeteries would qualify to be "historic", for example world war I cemeteries like Douaumont? <a href="https://www.verdun-douaumont.com/en/">https://www.verdun-douaumont.com/en/</a></div><div>This seems an easy case, because it is also a kind of historic=monument for the Verdun battle.</div><div><br></div><div>Also this is probably a no-brainer, although people are now living there (it is much older than baroque): <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_the_Dead_(Cairo)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_the_Dead_(Cairo)</a></div><div><br></div><div>Generally, I see a lot of overlap with archaeological site for many historic burial places. All of them which are older than a few hundred years will probably also qualify for archaelogical site, and there are also already site types established for it:</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:site_type">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:site_type</a> in particular: necropolis<br></div><div><br></div><div>Would the Gizeh site qualify for historic=cemetery? A massgrave from the Bosnian war? <br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> Is it the last remaining Jewish cemetery of a region? It's historic.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I find it a bit difficult to make a qualitative assessment based on how rare something is. If locally there are many old jewish cemeteries, they would not qualify, but if there is only one left, it would? I am not very familiar with jewish tradition but I thought to remember that their deads rest "forever" (or until salvation by the Messiah) in their burial places, so the cemetery would remain forever a cemetery, even if there are no new burials, not?<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> Is Chopin buried there? It's historic.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>burial places of famous people are likely noteworthy, but I am not sure the whole cemetery becomes historic because Chopin is buried there - or Jim Morrison. (on a sidenote, no doubt that Père Lachaise is a historic cemetery).</div><div><br></div><div>Not that I could not agree that many cemeteries, or even most, according to the area you look at, are of historic value. It's almost implicit, especially for every cemetery older than a few decades and of significant size. Everybody dies, also famous people, and rich people who can afford to engage notable artists for the funeral monument, so it seems logical that any cemetery in a bigger city will have some famous people buried there.</div><div><br></div><div>My recommendation would be to focus on mapping the things that make the cemetery "historic", both in terms of components (tombs etc.) but also regarding the attributes of the whole site. E.g. for the age, when it is known, I would recommend to add explicit reference to the start_date, it is a datum that already tells more than any historic=yes or cemetery qualifiers. If it is unknown, you could still add a rough timespan. Additionally to a start date, it would be interesting to have the "main period", because it may well be the case that the cemetery was used for hundreds or even thousands of years, but most of the current tombs are from a much later time.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Martin<br></div></div></div>