<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 16:23, Robin Burek <<a href="mailto:robin.burek@gmx.de">robin.burek@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Am 11.02.2021 um 16:55 schrieb Paul
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<li>One feature, one OSM element -> This is one shop - so
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<div>These are two different features within one building.
This is not a single</div>
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proposing.<br>
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<div>There is absolutely nothing in that which prohibits two
nodes in close</div>
<div>proximity representing two different features. Or
nodes within a building</div>
representing sub-features, such as elevators.</div>
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<p>Do you map then every <span lang="en"><span><span>meat
counter and cheese counter in a supermarket as several
Objekts (as shop=butcher or shop=cheese)? I don't think so,
that are all services of one shop=supermarket.<br></span></span></span></p></div></blockquote><div>Indeed they are. I'd expect most supermarkets to sell those things. I don't</div><div>expect most supermarkets to have post office counters.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't expect most supermarkets to have an optician, yet</div><div>some do.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't expect most chain stores to have a dispensing</div><div>pharmacist, and yet some do.</div><div><br></div><div>There is a concept known as "shop in shop." A business,</div><div>partitioned off in some way from the rest of the shop, selling</div><div>things you wouldn't expect that type of shop to sell. If</div><div>they were in two adjoining buildings you'd have no</div><div>hesitation in mapping them separately.</div><div><br></div>A supermarket near me has two wall-mounted ATMs. Which</div><div class="gmail_quote">I've mapped as nodes in the wall of the supermarket building,</div><div class="gmail_quote">because that is a perfectly valid thing to do despite your</div><div class="gmail_quote">insistence that the supermarket building is somehow a</div><div class="gmail_quote">single object and nothing else must be mapped within the</div><div class="gmail_quote">confines of that building.<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p><span lang="en"><span><span>
And so the postal services are services of the shop/amenity
(in this case on behalf)</span></span></span></p></div></blockquote><div>Not in the UK. In the UK they are legally distinct entities. Co-located,</div><div>and often with shared staff, but legally distinct.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p> </p>
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<div>I am tagging WHAT IS THERE IN REALITY. </div>
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<p>In reallity there is a post-counter in another shop/amenity not
an post office. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>Which you would have no hesitation mapping separately if it were in an</div><div>adjoining building. How about in the same building but with solid</div><div>partitions from floor to ceiling? And legally it IS a post office. In</div><div>one town I know of it is the MAIN post office, not just a sub-post</div><div>office.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">And yet there is. In any shop I'm
aware of in the UK that offers a post office
<div> service the counter is physically separated by barriers
from ordinary shop</div>
<div>counters. One counter handles postal services and
nothing else.</div>
<div>One or more counters handle non-postal services.<br>
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<p>An wich employees operate the counters? <br></p></div></blockquote><div>In the stores which have a main post office then it is usually</div><div>separate staff. In the sub-post offices it is a subset of the</div><div>shop staff.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
When the staff of the shop -> service of the shop.<br>
When the staff of the post -> post_office <br>
That have I already said, and that stand in the proposal. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>You think that makes a significant difference, I do not. In the</div><div>UK the tills and back-end computers are different. Stringent</div><div>checks are made to ensure there is no uncontrolled mixing</div><div>of cash. Staff who operate the post office side have to meet</div><div>stringent requirements that the other staff do not.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">You, however, wish to use a single
object to represent multiple things and it appears you want to
do this because you don't like maintaining two sets of opening
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<p>No, two sets of all. And not only me, thats is a wish in Germany
longer ago. Thats a problem, that exists more than 3 years now
(last forum) and have discussed in German-Userspace often before
this time. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>Just because a solution works in Germany that does not mean it works in</div><div>the wider world.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
In last time I have solved some errors, because there was
displayed an "post_office" that stands where none exists. And why?
The shop, who operatet this postal service was closed often more
than two or three years ago. And an user deleted only the shop....<br></p></div></blockquote><div>Sometimes people don't catch everything when deleting things. Although</div><div>it is not hard to miss if they check the results. Delete the shop, there's</div><div>still a post office symbol. It's hard to miss, if you bother to check.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So now we have two reasons for doing it your way. Firstly, you don't like</div><div>having to enter the opening hours twice. Secondly, somebody was careless</div><div>when deleting a shop. I don't consider either of those reasons compelling.</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>