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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Feb 10, 2021, 15:43 by tomasstraupis@gmail.com:<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div>2021-02-10, tr, 16:28 Marc_marc rašė:<br></div><blockquote><div>this has already been voted (84% in favour) in 2011 [1]<br></div><div>the problem is therefore not the idea but the interminable transition<br></div><div>period and the inevitable "not of the same opinion as the result of the<br></div><div>vote)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The "voting" in wiki is totally non representative therefore it<br></div><div>means absolutely nothing (or as we can see are damaging).<br></div></blockquote><div>Number of people voting is definitely tiny.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But there are also many cases where it resulted in changing<br></div><div>proposed tagging schema for better<br></div><div>(traffic calming=hillocky vs circle_bumps vs mini_bumps is the<br></div><div>latest case, see<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dmini_bumps">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dmini_bumps</a><br></div><div>)<br></div><div><br></div><div>It is not absolute decision, but it has some meaning and some <br></div><div>usefullness.<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> Especially when we take into account that these proposals there<br></div><div>created by people with 0 experience in fields that matter.<br></div></blockquote><div>Are you considering<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/healthcare%3Dsample_collection">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/healthcare%3Dsample_collection</a><br></div><div>to be damaging something (I have 0 experience in that field,<br></div><div>that is why I am happy that this proposal was reviewed<br></div><div>bu others, including people who have more experience<br></div><div>with medicine - and given that noone handled tagging such<br></div><div>features, waiting for someone with the experience was not<br></div><div>a viable solution).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> It is very sad and disturbing to see that OpenStreetMap fails to<br></div><div>implement at least one of the safeguards against incompetent and<br></div><div>destructive actions:<br></div><div> a) require at least minimal experience<br></div><div> b) provide hard limits on when some tagging can be changed or not<br></div></blockquote><div>Requiring proposal process to pass is quite effective limit,<br></div><div>it is quite hard to succesfuly pass proposal that deprecates<br></div><div>widely used tags.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For (a) I kind of agree, it would be nice to ensure that people voting<br></div><div>in proposals have at least a minimal mapping experience<br></div><div>(maybe I will submit proposal changing that, I kind of tried it with<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change_vote_counting_rules">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change_vote_counting_rules</a><br></div><div>- but for now at least I plan to submit <br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/remove_link_to_Wikidata_from_infoboxes">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/remove_link_to_Wikidata_from_infoboxes</a><br></div><div>and<br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change_vote_counting_rules_-_remove_dead_rule">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change_vote_counting_rules_-_remove_dead_rule</a><br></div><div>first<br></div><div>).<br></div><blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;"><div> This leads to a classic situation of *** with a grenade decimating<br></div><div>perfectly working parts of the system and there is no way to prevent<br></div><div>that.<br></div></blockquote><div>For blocking proposal that deprecates something for no (or insufficient)<br></div><div>benefit voting against is a typical method (and arguing against proposal,<br></div><div>like here).<br></div><div><br></div><div>There is noone with dictatorial powers that may just block something,<br></div><div>and that is a good thing.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Votes are announced on this mailing list.<br></div><div><br></div> </body>
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