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<p>Hi.<br>
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<p>This proposal does not invent anything new. It is just
documenting a value for "historic" that is in use. It is just one
value among many others that are used (battlefield, castle,
citywalls, etc.), all of them well documented, some with less uses
than "historic=cemetery".</p>
<p>I created the page for "historic=cemetery" on the wiki a few
weeks ago. I was not planning to propose it at all. It collected
how mappers were using the tag and documented it in the wiki. This
is something that is sometimes done on the wiki with tags that are
used, have a clear usage scheme, but are not documented. [1] [2]<br>
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I thought it would be a good idea to propose it to enrich it with
the opinion of others. I think it is a very simple proposal, very
very simple, with a well-defined use. Limited, but useful. <br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<p>[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_page_describing_key_or_value">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_page_describing_key_or_value</a></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 11/2/21 a las 18:24, Paul Allen
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 00:26, Daniel Capilla <<a
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<div>A more specific value refers to clearly indicating in
the tagging "historic" (as clearly as possible, and
preferably with a well documented value on the wiki) which
feature is considered as historic.<br>
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<div>To my mind, historic=* should never have been a primary
key, only an</div>
<div>attribute. Whenever somebody proposes a new value using</div>
<div>historic as a primary key, what happens if somebody
creates a</div>
<div>modern reproduction or replacement? Then we either have
to</div>
<div>tag something as historic that is not historic, ir we
find another</div>
<div>primary key to use for the non-historic version and end
up with</div>
<div>two keys for the same type of object.</div>
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<div>Example. A recent proposal was for
historic=threshing_floor.</div>
<div>They're old and they're no longer used. But historic
doesn't</div>
<div>mean "old" it means a noteworthy past event or noteworthy</div>
<div> old object. If you want to specify something is old, use
starting_date.</div>
<div>Historic doesn't mean disused, either, that's why we have</div>
<div>the disused attribute and namespace. What happens if</div>
<div>somebody wants to revert to the old way of farming</div>
<div>and creates a new threshing floor that is used. Even</div>
<div>if you insist that historic applies to the other
threshing</div>
<div>floors because they're old and/or disused, it doesn't</div>
<div>apply to this one. So then we have
historic=threshing_floor</div>
<div>and man_made=threshing_floor for the same type of</div>
<div>object.</div>
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<div>historc=* should be an attribute, not a primary key.</div>
<div>We have not consistently used it that way in the past</div>
<div>but that is no reason to add to the problem.</div>
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<div>Introducing two keys for the same type of object is not</div>
<div>sensible. I can guarantee that editors will only present</div>
<div>one of them whereas they could probably be persuaded</div>
<div> to offer historic as an attribute for cemeteries.</div>
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<div>-- <br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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