<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp70109dd5yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">IMHO Scrub that has been managed is not scrub any more.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The Wiki says, "<span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The tag </span><tt dir="ltr" class="ydpde04adf6mw-content-ltr" style="font-family: monospace, monospace; font-size: 1em; direction: ltr; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); background: rgb(238, 238, 255); line-height: 1.6;"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural" title="Key:natural" style="color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">natural</a>=scrub</tt><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> is used to tag areas of uncultivated land covered with shrubs, bushes or stunted trees."</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">..and see also, </span></span><a href="https://www.thefreedictionary.com/scrubland" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://www.thefreedictionary.com/scrubland</a>, which says, </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">"<div><h2 style="font-weight: normal; display: inline-block; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 6px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">scrub·land</h2><span style="color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span class="ydp3eb2d97dsnd" data-snd="S0174100" style="vertical-align: text-bottom; margin: 0px 3px 2px; display: inline-block; width: 12px; color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; min-height: 20px;"><span title="" class="ydp3eb2d97di ydp3eb2d97dsnd-icon-plain" style="display: inline-block; margin: 0px; vertical-align: text-bottom; font-size: 0px; letter-spacing: -1px; color: white; cursor: pointer; width: 12px; min-height: 18px;"></span></span><span style="color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> </span><span class="ydp3eb2d97dpron" style="cursor: pointer; color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">(skrŭb′lănd′)</span><div class="ydp3eb2d97dpseg" style="min-width: 200px; color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><i>n.</i><div class="ydp3eb2d97dds-single" style="min-width: 200px; margin-left: 1cm;">An <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">area</span> of <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">land</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">that</span> is <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">uncultivated</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">and</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">covered</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">with</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">sparse</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">stunted</span> <span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr">vegetation."</span></div><div class="ydp3eb2d97dds-single" style="min-width: 200px; margin-left: 1cm;"><span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr"><br></span></div><div class="ydp3eb2d97dds-single" style="min-width: 200px; margin-left: 1cm;"><span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr"><br></span></div><div class="ydp3eb2d97dds-single" style="min-width: 200px; margin-left: 1cm;"><span class="ydp3eb2d97dhvr"><br></span></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">So "<span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">natural=scrub + managed=yes"</span></span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">is an oxymoron.</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp70109dd5signature"><div style="font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Regards,</div><div dir="ltr">Peter</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Saturday, 13 February 2021, 09:58:36 GMT, Marc_marc <marc_marc@mailo.com> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Le 13.02.21 à 10:40, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :<br clear="none">>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 10:05, Marc_marc <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:marc_marc@mailo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marc_marc@mailo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> natural=scrub + managed=yes ?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> amenity=drinking_water + drinking_water=no ?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It's not really the same thing, knowing that your answer is a trollotag,<br clear="none">whereas I was rather pointing out the inconsistency of the natural<br clear="none">criterion in a world where, in Europe, there is no longer any primary<br clear="none">forest or almost not any place where humans have never intervened.<br clear="none">next to my house there are 2 shrubs, one planted by a human,<br clear="none">the other not.<br clear="none">it really deserves 2 different main tags ?<br clear="none">good luck to avoid the error, you are in theoretical considerations.<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/13Am" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/13Am</a><br clear="none">what's next ? man_made=tree for tree planted by human ?<div class="ydp50a9e520yqt8442196457" id="ydp50a9e520yqtfd43539"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Tagging mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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