<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 21:39, Robin Burek <<a href="mailto:robin.burek@gmx.de">robin.burek@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Am 11.02.2021 um 21:12 schrieb Paul
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<div dir="ltr">Those don't look like post offices to me. No
mention of Deutsche Post that
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<div>I could see. They're shops offering an interface to some
courier services.</div>
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<p><span lang="en"><span><span>And
there you are wrong</span></span></span>. The problem, in
germany you have already not only one postal service provider. I
actual found six nationwide/suprareginal and 30 regional postal
service provider (and i think there are some more).... And some of
them use more or less such "postal partners". <span lang="en"><span><span>I
have the feeling that this is much more of a free market
than in many other countries - in germany there don't exist
"</span></span></span>public, national postal services" -
here do not exist an state monopol. And this postal service
provider are not an courier service... <br></p></div></blockquote><div>In the UK we have many courier services competing with the Post Office &</div><div>Royal Mail (two independent but complementary halves of what used to be</div><div>a single entity). But only Royal Mail has widespread letter boxes and the</div><div>Post Office offers postal services the couriers do not/legally cannot.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there any interoperability between your postal partners? Can I buy stamps</div><div>from partner 1 and have partner 2 honour them? Can I hand a package to</div><div>partner 1, pay partner 1 and that package be collected from a shop which</div><div>only has a contract with partner 2? Do any of your postal partners,</div><div>other than Deutsche Post, have a widespread network of letterboxes?</div><div>Can I buy stamps from partner 1, branded as for use by partner 1, and</div><div>put them in a letterbox operated by Deutsche Post? If I ask a local</div><div>for the nearest Postamt will I be directed to a Deutsche Post or</div><div>some random postal partner?<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<div>This is a shop with a post office: <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/T4TdmKyYjZmQBjCX6" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/T4TdmKyYjZmQBjCX6</a></div>
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<p><span lang="en"><span><span>Honestly</span></span></span>,
I can't see the shop - this looks to me like a whole post
office.... ? In OSM an in Google the is only signet as an post
office... (Here so no "post_partner" at all)<br></p></div></blockquote><div>Did you notice the things in the two windows? Their facebook page has</div><div>posts promoting new lines or items on special offer. Jotters and calendars</div><div>you might consider to be standard items at a post office. Lollipops less so.</div><div>Socks, not at all. They also have a range of other (unspecified) gifts so</div><div>you can send a present to a person whose birthday you forgot until it</div><div>was almost too late. It's more post office than shop, but it does sell</div><div> non-postal items.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<div>And another: <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/2icPH4E2kprWe3Ky5" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/2icPH4E2kprWe3Ky5</a></div>
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<p>Here I don't see it indoor - but that's look from outdoor more
like a "post partner" in a smal supermarket/hamlet store<br></p></div></blockquote><div>It is an official sub-post office. That's why it has the sign/logo saying "Post Office."<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<div>And a supermarket which has a shop-in-shop fashion store
(not there the last time I visited over a decade ago) and
the main post office: <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/1d8osiMeEkEETyrk7" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/maps/1d8osiMeEkEETyrk7</a></div>
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yes, okay, but this isn't a post partner. Thats a shop-in-shop post
office.... so not mentioned by the proposal.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>All of my examples were of shop-in-shop post offices. Physical separation</div><div>between the counter handling postal services and the counter(s) handling</div><div>other items. Strict separation of tills and computer backends for postal</div><div> services. These are legal requirements for postal services.</div><div><br></div><div>But we also have courier operations of the type you describe as postal</div><div>partners. Except we don't refer to them as postal services, because that</div><div>would confuse them with "real" postal services operated by the Post Office/</div><div>Royal Mail.</div><div><br></div><div>I wouldn't have any problem with your proposal if it weren't for the fact</div><div>that it keeps mentioning "post" and "postal" everywhere. It may be</div><div>true in Germany that the two are no longer distinguishable but elsewhere</div><div>they are. Refer to them as couriers and there's no conflict; refer to them</div><div>as postal partners and there is.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>