<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 at 21:01, Peter Neale via Tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir="ltr">IMHO Scrub that has been managed is not scrub any more.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The Wiki says, "<span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The tag </span><tt dir="ltr" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:1em;direction:ltr;color:rgb(32,33,34);background:rgb(238,238,255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%;line-height:1.6"><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural" title="Key:natural" style="color:rgb(6,69,173);background:rgba(0,0,0,0) none repeat scroll 0% 0%" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">natural</a>=scrub</tt><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"> is used to tag areas of uncultivated land covered with shrubs, bushes or stunted trees."</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">..and see also, </span></span><a href="https://www.thefreedictionary.com/scrubland" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.thefreedictionary.com/scrubland</a>, which says, </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"<div><h2 style="font-weight:normal;display:inline-block;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">scrub·land</h2><span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="vertical-align:text-bottom;margin:0px 3px 2px;display:inline-block;width:12px;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;min-height:20px"><span title="" style="display:inline-block;margin:0px;vertical-align:text-bottom;font-size:0px;letter-spacing:-1px;color:white;width:12px;min-height:18px"></span></span><span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">(skrŭb′lănd′)</span><div style="min-width:200px;color:rgb(64,64,64);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><i>n.</i><div style="min-width:200px;margin-left:1cm">An <span>area</span> of <span>land</span> <span>that</span> is <span>uncultivated</span> <span>and</span> <span>covered</span> <span>with</span> <span>sparse</span> <span>stunted</span> <span>vegetation."</span></div><div style="min-width:200px;margin-left:1cm"><span><br></span></div><div style="min-width:200px;margin-left:1cm"><span><br></span></div><div style="min-width:200px;margin-left:1cm"><span><br></span></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">So "<span><span style="color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">natural=scrub + managed=yes"</span></span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">is an oxymoron.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What, then, would you call this area:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/b1gJHSyu2iwWPeWi9">https://goo.gl/maps/b1gJHSyu2iwWPeWi9</a></div><div><br></div><div>Currently mapped as:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/434318204">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/434318204</a></div><div><br></div><div>It is not original, virgin, natural scrub as it was all planted to stabilise the sand dunes along the beach, but since then, it's basically been left to re-shoot naturally, although Council do trim trees that come across the path, & also remove weeds, but I'm still happy with natural=scrub + leisure=nature_reserve as it's closed to the general public to prevent erosion. <br></div><div><br></div><div>"Maintained"? That would depend on what we want to call maintained? Is it neat & carefully trimmed? No. Are branches lopped when necessary & weeds pulled? Yes.<br></div><div><br></div><div>& also:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/hj7UpiqKWYGXamHA7">https://goo.gl/maps/hj7UpiqKWYGXamHA7</a></div><div><br></div><div>(Incidentally, since those images were taken, those plants have all grown & filled out quite a bit, & a few of them are very spiky, so I wouldn't try walking through without a machete in hand!)</div><div><br></div><div>So what are they? Garden / hedge / scrub? Yes, they are carefully maintained, but also, as you can see, not the same plants repeated in a nice neat line.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd once again call it natural=scrub, maintained=yes.</div><div><br></div><div>
Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div><br></div></div>