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<p><font face="Verdana">I advise to try to keep the scope as
applicable as possible to cover the same kind of services
worldwide.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Reviewing all the comments and objections
that were recently posted here I tried to figure out what this
is about, and to my humble analysis it comes down to finding a
suitable globally and general accepted term for the services
offered.<br>
In this context it becomes ever more difficult since for some
number of years in most countries postal and parcel services,
all or just a part the services, are privatised. Mostly they are
well regulated but the services clearly overlap with what is
considered as courier services. Either by private entities
offering postal or post services, either by the post or postal
(formal government controlled or mandated private organisations)
offering courier services or the opposite.<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">My analysis:</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">If we refer to wikipedia
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_office">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_office</a>) the term post
office, postal service refers "</font> to government postal
facilities providing customer service." in most parts of the
world. And luckily wikipedia refers to the German situation:
"Private <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier"
title="Courier">courier</a> and <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_delivery"
title="Package delivery">delivery services</a> often have
offices as well, although these are not usually called "post
offices," except in the case of <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany" title="Germany">Germany</a>,
which has <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Post"
title="Deutsche Post">fully privatized its national postal
system</a>."</p>
<p>I'd like to propose the following to get this discussion going
again and proceed with the proposal since it looks fine and
clearly defines a need in the community:</p>
<p>Do not introduce a new key but use the existing office=courier or
office=logistics (I know, not widely used but .. better then to
introduce a new one which is not used so far). Attribute those
with keys to describe the services offered, which might use post
or postal terms in the values but do not define them as a post or
postal office, much as is somehow clearly described on the English
Wikipedia for the German situation.</p>
<p>Specifically to the german situation, but this also applies since
recent to other countries, like the Netherlands, Belgium or
France, the name post or postal is reserved to formal, whole or
partially government owned entities. Deutsche Post, Bpost, PostNL,
La Poste, they all carry the name post and are all at least
partially government owned, also because they offer services which
are not allowed to be carried out by courier services (don't want
to go in too much detail here). In Belgium you can find a parcel
delivered by Deutsche Post, or PostNL and vice versa. If we look
at other continents, Africa, Asia, South-America etc... in essence
the same principle applies, even when in many countries besides a
central post office in major towns the postal services, or a part
of them are mostly provided by private shops and courier services.<br>
</p>
<p>Hope this helps in the discussion as a contribution with a
positive tone.</p>
<p>Greetings, Bert Araali<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/02/2021 16:40, Paul Allen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 13:10, Robin Burek <<a
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<div>Am 16.02.2021 um 13:42 schrieb Paul Allen:<br>
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<p>To handle postal services in a store (often only a
short option and not the full programm) aren't post
offices. That is a store, that supports (<span lang="en"><span><span>a
selection</span></span></span>) of postal
services. A bank can not be a post office but can handle
(in Germany) postal services. <br>
I really want to find a consensus.... <span lang="en"><span><span>but
you're not making it easy for me here ...</span></span></span></p>
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<div>What you describe in terms of function does not sound
like a post office to me.</div>
<div>Post offices have legal requirements in the UK. What you
describe in terms of</div>
<div>function sounds very much like <a
href="https://www.collectplus.yodel.co.uk/click-and-collect"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.collectplus.yodel.co.uk/click-and-collect</a></div>
<div>Shops offering those services are not considered post
offices in the UK.</div>
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<div>And yet you insist these "not post offices" are post
offices. I asked you</div>
<div>where you would direct somebody asking for the nearest
Postamt</div>
<div>and you said you would direct that person to one of these
services</div>
<div>rather than Deutsche Post. You tell me that the service
providers</div>
<div>offer all the same services that Deutsche Post does.<br>
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<div>Either these are post offices or they are not. If they
are post offices</div>
<div>then map them as such. If they are not post offices then
find some</div>
<div>different tag name that does not have "post" or "postal,"
Because</div>
<div>in some countries the partner will not offer a full range
of postal</div>
<div>services in any location, not just that particular one.
Those partners</div>
<div>will merely be couriers.</div>
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<div>That said, your insistence that these things be mapped as</div>
<div>attributes rather than POIs baffles me. The information
will</div>
<div>not be visible to most data consumers so may as well not
be</div>
<div>there. If I can't see it on the map, it doesn't exist as
far as</div>
<div>I'm concerned because I'll never know it's there.<br>
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<div>-- <br>
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<div>Paul</div>
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