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<p>I could live without <font face="Courier New, Courier,
monospace">place_of_worship=holy_well</font> and just the
"amenity=place_of_worship" in combination with man_made=well or
natural=spring, so that combination would definitely find you holy
wells on overpass-turbo.</p>
<p>On a different note, "pattern" is used for the act of celebration
of the patron saint as well. If you search the internet for
"pattern" and "holy well":
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=pattern+holy+well">https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=pattern+holy+well</a>. It's not just
the Hiberno-English for "patron saint".<br>
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<p>Anne<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18/02/2021 um 23:49 schrieb Bert
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<p><font face="Verdana">Aren't all of these to be considered as a
place_of_worship? Worship (as is religious) is neutral enough
and we already have tags for most if not all of these items. I
consider worship as a broad term that can be used in all these
examples: putting flowers, prayers, meditation, offerings
etc... are all expressions of worship of one or multiple gods
or religious symbols.<br>
A well is a well, religious or not, atheists or other
believers consider it like that, we have a general
man_made=well for that. A cross is a cross, their or
non-Christian cultures who use symbols which we all call a
cross in other religions, although we defined them also as
man_made and here a tree grown in a cross shape, that's a
religious symbol, that is a "holy" thing but do I want to tag
it as man_made ? (but that's again a different discussion and
"special case"). The religious context can be added with an
existing tag: denomination = *. <br>
If it's located within or near a larger site that as a whole
is considered already a place_of_worship or a cemetery etc...
it's even simpler, just add a well node, a cross node etc...
to the area. If you want to map it as a node, fine, it's
man_made=well and add amenity=place_of_worship +
denomination. What is against that ?<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">I don't understand where the need comes
from of so many people in this group to add ever more
specialised top level keys. It makes OSM and it's
accessibility ever more complex. If we have good and clear
tagging what is against attribution ? We are creating ever
more duplicate use cases for essentially variants of the same
things, making it ever more complicated as when tags get more
and more used to deprecate them and get stuck. Frankly
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06:34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <<a
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<div>Many places with "miraculous water" / "blessed
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<div>I mentioned this the other week as part of the
discussion about historic cemeteries, but didn't get any
response.</div>
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<div>Maybe we could use a new top tag of religious= to cover
all sorts of things like roadside crosses, grottos,
shrines & now wells, & move them away from amenity
/ man-made / historic / tourism etc?</div>
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