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<p><font face="Verdana">True, except I don't see the need to
introduce a new term used as a key to express it's relation to
one specific religion. If it is called a holy well in Ireland
it's fine, you give that in one of the name keys. I don't see
how that can disturb any ones believes, not for the locals in
Ireland or the tourist that visit them. But if we want to keep
our keys non-discriminating it remains a well, describing
perfectly what the well might look like.<br>
I guess if they, or some of them, are also important in tourism,
not all tourist are Christians and even might feel offended by
the word "holy". If someone is an atheist, is thirsty and uses a
map based on OSM data to search for a public place to drink
water from a well, he will hardly find any implementations where
he specifically needs to search for a "holy well" or for my part
a "holy tap" or a "holy spring".</font></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/02/2021 23:47, Anne-Karoline
Distel wrote:<br>
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<p>For Ireland, it is easy enough:<br>
Do people call it a holy well? - It is a holy well. <br>
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<p>Is a saint associated with the well? - It is a holy well.</p>
<p>Do people cross themselves when passing it? - It's a place of
worship.</p>
<p>Do people hold patterns every year? - It is a place of worship.</p>
<p>Do people leave votive offerings? - It is a place of worship.</p>
<p>Do people go there to pray? - It is a place of worship.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18/02/2021 um 20:32 schrieb
Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging:<br>
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<div>Many places with "miraculous water" / "blessed water" do
not qualify for<br>
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<div>amenity=place_of_worship, and such tagging would be
incorrect<span style="" class=""><span class="font"
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<div>Feb 18, 2021, 21:25 by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bert.araali.afritastic@gmail.com"
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<p><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana">Dear Anne,</span><br>
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<p><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana">You should
abstain from using specific religious terms like "holy"
and "paganism".<br>
To my honest opinion the existing tagging schemes and
attribution for amenity=place_of_worship combined with
tourist=attraction offer enough flexibility and most of
all neutrality in the religious context to suite your
needs.<br>
Of course there are numerous wells across the world with
either a religious significance (sometimes the same well
is significant in different religions or to different
denominations). Some have significance for tourism
purposes, others might be preferred by the worshippers, to
be accessible only in a more private context.<br>
Please read through the related wiki pages, to my opinion
very detailed and of high quality to address your local
specific needs and offering enough variation for any
religious or tourist related significance. You can extend
them to suite your specific needs, I personally see no
need for a new key or value for this purpose or revert to
a proposal if you feel you need broader confirmation from
the community. Do respect neutrality in the additions or
modifications.</span></p>
<p><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana">Greetings,
Bert Araali</span><br>
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<div class="">On 18/02/2021 21:31, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote:<br>
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<p>I understand it's a bit of a tricky one. Wishing wells/
fountains mostly used by tourists should not count,
because there is not an established religion behind that
thinking of leaving a coin for good luck. They are all
votive offerings though, no matter if they are rags or
coins or whatever else people leave there (probably masks
now, I haven't been to a site since lockdown).<br>
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<p>Good rule of thumb: If it has a saint's name attached,
it's a holy well. Or rather "holy well".<br>
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<p>Anne<br>
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<div class="">Am 18/02/2021 um 16:04 schrieb Volker Schmidt:<br>
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<div>Interesting idea.<br>
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<div>But difficult to define.<br>
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<div>There is a wide spectrum from really sacred places,
like chapels with a spring inside to the wells or
fountains where people go with plastic bottles <br>
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<div>to collect "good" or "healthy" water.and the wells
that tourists fill with coins (no drinking water
there).<br>
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<div>I would rather see this somehow under the tourism
tent - pilgrimage is the original form of tourism.<br>
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<div>Volker<br>
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<div>It's me again, full of ideas.<br>
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<div> I propose a tag for holy wells, one of the
reasons being that my local<br>
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<div> council wants them mapped and I've been trying
to convince them to use<br>
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<div> OSM for a while. Also, because it would entice
rural mappers to get<br>
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<div> started and because they play a role in tourism
(if you count pilgrimage<br>
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<div> I'm especially interested in other religions'
perspective, but I don't<br>
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<div> know if this phenomenon exists outside
Christianity and Paganism.<br>
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<div> Cheers,<br>
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