<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 10:02, Stefan Tauner <<a href="mailto:stefan.tauner@gmx.at">stefan.tauner@gmx.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">However, I think it might make more sense to include more historic<br>
sites that I think are excluded by the current proposal, e.g.:<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuragic_holy_well" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuragic_holy_well</a><br>
historic=water_well might very well fit the "holy" wells in ireland too?<br>
They are definitely nothing new :)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Definitely nothing new?</div><div><br></div><div>How not-new is old enough to be historic? Every time I ask that,</div><div>I get different answers. Because "historic" does not mean old,</div><div>it means notable or memorable. A memorial plaque installed</div><div>yesterday to commemorate an event that happened last week</div><div>is historic=memorial because it commemorates (memorializes)</div><div>a notable historical event.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Some construction work changes underground water flows and a new</div><div>spring appears miles away, a few hundred yards from the church of</div><div>St Beeblebrox. It's a miracle! It must be holy. It's a NEW holy</div><div>well. it makes a mockery of historic=water_well and we'd either</div><div>have to live with yet more misleading tagging or come up with</div><div>a new tag for non-historic holy wells. So we might as well</div><div>start with something other than historic for holy wells to</div><div>which we can always add historic=yes if appropriate.<br></div><div><br></div><div>"Historic" does not mean the same thing as "historical." "Historic"</div><div>does not mean "old," use start_date if you want to indicate</div><div>something is old (it doesn't just indicate that it's old, but</div><div>how old). "Historic" does not mean "disused," use</div><div>disused=* or disused:*=* for that.</div><div><br></div><div>Some wells, whether holy or not, may genuinely be historic</div><div>in that a notable, memorable historical event happened there</div><div>because the well was there. For those, add historic=yes.</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div></div></div>